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Freedom of Religion
Author: TriSec    Date: 11/15/2008 01:20:23 PM


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



The very first sentence of the first ammendment states Congress shall make no law establishing religion.

So far, in 232 years of America...Congress hasn't flatly come out and said "The Religion of the land is Christianity".

But they may as well have long ago. The United States has established many laws that attempted to legislate morality....from restricting certain medical procedures, removing the rights of certain people to marry, and indeed even our darkest sorrow, legalizing chattel slavery. Many of these things are allowed and even encouraged in certain religious texts. But in all my dealings with so-called Christians, or religious fundamentalists of any stripe, the one question none of them has been able to answer is "Why should your belief system be the law of the land?"

I won't get into an argument on abortion, or polygamy, or child marriage, or any one of the thousand or so other things religions around the world practice as a matter of course.

Today it's about stripping the rights of a particular group of people in the name of a specific interpretation of "morality".

Of course, I'm talking about California's Proposition 8, which is brutal in its simplicity:




PROPOSITION 8

This initiative measure is submitted to the people in accordance with the provisions of Article II, Section 8, of the California Constitution.

This initiative measure expressly amends the California Constitution by adding a section thereto; therefore, new provisions proposed to be added are printed in italic type to indicate that they are new.

SECTION 1.
This measure shall be known and may be cited as the “California Marriage Protection Act.”

SECTION 2.
Section 7.5 is added to Article I of the California Constitution, to read:

SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.


This represents the first time in American history that the rights of the people have been put up to a popular vote, as near as I can figure. What is stunning is that the people voted to restrict their own rights.

But were they unduly influenced by outside forces?

You tell me....here are the largest fundraisers for the "Yes on 8" cabal:

* Knights of Columbus, $1,400,000.
* Howard Ahmanson, $1,150,000.
* John Templeton, $900,000.
* National Organization for Marriage, $785,750.
* Elsa Prince, $650,000.
* Fieldstead & Company, $600,000.
* American Family Association, $500,000
* Focus on the Family, $411,000.
* Doug Manchester, $125,000.

But the biggest single influence on this ballot initiative was the Mormon Church. They, more than any other organized religion in the US, shoud understand what it means to be prosecuted and driven from their homes. It's part of the great American story now...angry mobs driving the church's founder from his home and killing him, his descendents leading the followers to the unspoiled west, and the settlement around Great Salt Lake. It makes for some great reading.

But are there those out there that might see Proposition 8 as giving them reason to persecute Homosexuals in the same way? It's taken us 7 years from the Reichstag Fire(9-11), through the Enabling Acts(Patriot Act), to reach this point. The ONLY saving grace for Proposition 8 is that no punishment was specified for those that would run afoul of the law.

But it just as easily could have. This sets a dangerous precedent throughout America. Fortunately, we grabbed the brake handle back on November 4; once again it falls to President-Elect Obama to try to repair the damage. Much like the Muslims, under George Bush the homosexual community has become the national scapegoat. It's OK to bash, abuse, and take away their rights.

But back to the Mormon Church. A couple of bloggers have tried to warn us about "guilt by association" regarding their investments and properties. But then again, I don't buy Domino's Pizza anymore (nevermind that it tastes like cardboard covered in motor oil; I refer to them as "right-wing pizza"). But if we want to make them hurt, shouldn't we know who they fund and what they support?

Just to mention two things off the top of my head: they are major investors in the Marriott Hotel chain, and the Mormon Church charters about 30% of the active Boy Scout units in the country, for example. (Which explains much, to my way of thinking.)

You owe it to yourself to check out "Mormons stole our rights". The whole history of the Mormon church, it's involvement in American culture, and their connections to Proposition 8 makes for some eye-opening reading.


Today has been designated a "national day of protest" against proposition 8. If there's something in your area, make sure you get out and get heard.




 

14 comments (Latest Comment: 11/16/2008 03:22:25 AM by Random)
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Comment by BobR on 11/15/2008 02:57:09 PM
Good post Tri.. Why does it seem to happen so often that the persecuted become the persecutors?

Comment by velveeta jones on 11/15/2008 03:38:07 PM
Thank you TriSec for a wonderful post! Sadly I will not be able to make our local protest, but many of my friends are going. In fact, I just text'd some of them to remind them.

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2008 03:48:25 PM
Thanks for all of that Information Tri.



For those that cannot be out today, I offer a peice of my heart to march in your place.



:hug:

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2008 04:36:07 PM
We’ve spoken out on other issues, we’ve spoken out on abortion, we’ve spoken out on those other kinds of things,” said Michael R. Otterson, the managing director of public affairs for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as the Mormons are formally called, in Salt Lake City. “But we don’t get involved to the degree we did on this.”



The California measure, Proposition 8, was to many Mormons a kind of firewall to be held at all costs.



“California is a huge state, often seen as a bellwether — this was seen as a very, very important test,” Mr. Otterson said.



First approached by the Roman Catholic archbishop of San Francisco a few weeks after the California Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in May, the Mormons were the last major religious group to join the campaign, and the final spice in an unusual stew that included Catholics, evangelical Christians, conservative black and Latino pastors, and myriad smaller ethnic groups with strong religious ties.



Shortly after receiving the invitation from the San Francisco Archdiocese, the Mormon leadership in Salt Lake City issued a four-paragraph decree to be read to congregations, saying “the formation of families is central to the Creator’s plan,” and urging members to become involved with the cause.



“And they sure did,” Mr. Schubert said.



Jeff Flint, another strategist with Protect Marriage, estimated that Mormons made up 80 percent to 90 percent of the early volunteers who walked door-to-door in election precincts.




It's official the involvment of the Mormons and Prop 8. Not that we needed any more proof.

MUCH more at the link.

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2008 04:40:17 PM
Word right now is that LA is experiencing Rolling Blackouts due to the fires. eep.

Comment by livingonli on 11/15/2008 05:22:14 PM
Since I have to work today I can't make any of the protests as well but I did sign the petition. I want to see the Mormon Church lose its tax exempt status for this crap. Especially with the deceit they employed like most right-wingers do when they try to push their agenda.

Comment by livingonli on 11/15/2008 06:38:20 PM
Air Marshals too busy smuggling coke and molesting kids to do their job.



And Lieberman should be allowed to remain Homeland Security Committee head, why?

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2008 09:53:51 PM
Good Afternoon everyone! We are breezing thru as we are heading back out this evening. Here to proudly report that the Atlanta NO H8 rally had about a thousand people!



We took a few pictures and hopefully put them up tonite.





Comment by BobR on 11/15/2008 10:29:32 PM
Quote by Raine:

Good Afternoon everyone! We are breezing thru as we are heading back out this evening. Here to proudly report that the Atlanta NO H8 rally had about a thousand people!



We took a few pictures and hopefully put them up tonite.





no one is equal until everyone is equal... it's simple math.

Comment by Random on 11/15/2008 11:49:26 PM
Two things:

1.) I've met at least one Fundementalist Christian (who believes literally, or so he claims) in the stuff in the bible. He's very nice, and doesn't believe that his religion should be in charge.



2.) Why the hell does Prop 8 get so much attention, but no one gives a shit about prop 2 in Florida? what the Fuck. Seriously. Prop 2 has much more of an impact to me, or anyone else than Prop 8. We all bloody well know Prop 8 is going to be removed, overturned, whatever. Only thing pissy about it is the Mormons funding it. But Prop 2 is going to stay on the books here. And all sorts of amendments, dealing with gay marraige, across the nation will stay on the books. How about worry about those too? How about protesting those?

Or do people just want the easy fight? Or do we believe that Prop 8 will stay there? Do we believe the California Supreme Court, which just said gays could get married, would turn around and take the decision back? So fuck Prop 8. How about fighting the harder battles? Fight for overturning amendments in places where it passed overwhelmingly. Fight were it is needed most.

To use a Civil rights analogy. Real change in Civil rights did not come when the Northern States had no slaves. Change came when slavery was removed in the heart of the south. Change did not come when the North allowed blacks to sit at counters. Change came when Blacks were allowed to sit at counters in the heart of this bigited land.

Change will not come, when California, or Michigan allow Gays to wed. Change will come when Alabama, or Georgia do.



I think that's all for me for now.

Comment by Raine on 11/16/2008 12:38:47 AM
Random, if it make you feel ANY better, Florida was VERY much talked about here in Georgia today. So was Arkansas. Prop 2 was indeed mentioned alot.



I think the reason why prop 8 has been do front and center was becuase it was 'California' was supposed to be the "bastion" of gay rights.



It's not that Prop 8 is more important thatn 2 or any other state, it's just that this iswhere the spark FINALLY ignited.



The south has not forgetten Florida, and the battle has begun -- for equal rights for all.





Comment by Random on 11/16/2008 12:49:42 AM
I would say it's front in center because of celebrities, more than not.

Look, i don't want anyone to think i don't support overturning Prop 8. It just seems that once it does, people will just pack up and go home. Which they will. No one is going to go be a warrior for equal rights in Florida, or any where else.

Comment by velveeta jones on 11/16/2008 02:51:59 AM
The big difference, I believe, between CA prop 8 and FL prop 2 is that the prop 8 will actually take away rights that were given, making a constitutional amendment. While FL, nothing changes. You didn't have the rights to begin with - and you didn't gain them.

Comment by Random on 11/16/2008 03:22:25 AM
Quote by velveeta jones:

The big difference, I believe, between CA prop 8 and FL prop 2 is that the prop 8 will actually take away rights that were given, making a constitutional amendment. While FL, nothing changes. You didn't have the rights to begin with - and you didn't gain them.




You know what...I had a long response to this, i did, one that had lots of fun points.



But if you honestly think that Prop 2 is fine, because it didn't take away rights, well then fuck you.

Prop 2 just made it impossible for people to get those rights, but that's perfectly fine, nothing wrong with that. But lord, lets get up in arms over a bullshit prop in California, that any thinking invidual can see it's downfall in the courts, even if the people in the state are bigots. While 8 will soar off into oblivion, guess what'll still be around, a little ammendment that didn't take rights away.