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RIP Mr. Thomas
Author: Raine
Date: 01/26/2009 13:16:13
Are any of us this dedicated? On Friday, after sitting in front of the White House, under yellow tarp and board filled with flyers and posters asking for a peaceful end to American Nuclear Activities, William Thomas has left us. Many of you have seen him, or his ramshackle hut, in front of the White House. He and his wife, Ellen, were there for 27 years. He protested thru peace and non-violence. 
27 years is a long time. In 1988 he was taken to federal court. Seems as tho the administration at the time didn't want him in front of the White House. The White house lost, and he had been there ever since. (give or take a few months here and there). From the Prop1 Website: He sat in Lafayette Park (also known as Peace Park) right in direct view of the White House. If you have come to DC to protest, you will find yourself here at one point or another. Bob and I walked past it just last Monday night.
For myself, it was striking and amazing to see this for the first time in 2005. It was a little shabby looking, dated, ramshakle protest hut-- but something about this man and his wife shows determination and dedication to a cause. They would see protests and causes come and go, and yet, they were always there.
Can we say the same thing about ourselves? Mr. Thomas may never have seen an end to American nuclear activities, and we may never in our lifetime, but he was a source of inspiration to more than a generation of people both activists and tourists. He was willing to talk to anyone who came up to him. He was willing to peacefully buck the establishment. For or against what he believed in, one would always walk away from this site that he occupied for more than quarter century with something to think about.
No doubt he was willing to face those that thought he was anti-American thru the Reagan years, and the Bush years. He was there for the protests, the parades and even this last inauguration. He was a hero to some, an anti-American traitor to others. Much of it is documented in the diary kept here. However, he believed in a cause and stuck with it. Season after season, year after year.
He may not have stopped the Nukes, but he kept the flame of hope alive for a new generation of people in this country, that have dedicated at least-- at the very least-- a part of their own lives to making America a more peaceful place in whatever cause it may be.
Rest in Peace Mr. Thomas. Thank you for all you have done.
:peace: and
Raine
27 years is a long time. In 1988 he was taken to federal court. Seems as tho the administration at the time didn't want him in front of the White House. The White house lost, and he had been there ever since. (give or take a few months here and there). From the Prop1 Website:
Thomas' fast ended, but he remained to establish a fulltime, unpaid continuous forum in front of the White House. Thomas' message, "WANTED, WISDOM & HONESTY," has stood north of the White House day and night since 1981, except for a three-month period in 1988 when Thomas was sent to prison by U.S. Judges Flannery and Richey, who wanted to "deter others from adopting your lifestyle." He has patiently outlasted most of the police, the media, and even the eager regulation writers, who originally attempted to remove Thomas. Unlike 1981, it appears for now that the White House accepts the presence of the vigil. However, that is subject to change at any moment.
For myself, it was striking and amazing to see this for the first time in 2005. It was a little shabby looking, dated, ramshakle protest hut-- but something about this man and his wife shows determination and dedication to a cause. They would see protests and causes come and go, and yet, they were always there.
Can we say the same thing about ourselves? Mr. Thomas may never have seen an end to American nuclear activities, and we may never in our lifetime, but he was a source of inspiration to more than a generation of people both activists and tourists. He was willing to talk to anyone who came up to him. He was willing to peacefully buck the establishment. For or against what he believed in, one would always walk away from this site that he occupied for more than quarter century with something to think about.
No doubt he was willing to face those that thought he was anti-American thru the Reagan years, and the Bush years. He was there for the protests, the parades and even this last inauguration. He was a hero to some, an anti-American traitor to others. Much of it is documented in the diary kept here. However, he believed in a cause and stuck with it. Season after season, year after year.
He may not have stopped the Nukes, but he kept the flame of hope alive for a new generation of people in this country, that have dedicated at least-- at the very least-- a part of their own lives to making America a more peaceful place in whatever cause it may be.
Rest in Peace Mr. Thomas. Thank you for all you have done.
:peace: and
Raine
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Comment by 
BobR on 01/26/2009 13:36:56
BobR on 01/26/2009 13:36:56
oh what a shame. I DO remember his display from every time I've been to Washington DC (including way back in the early 90's). Sadly, I don't remember the man himself, but I'm sure he'd be okay with that, so long as I remembered his message.
Comment by 
TriSec on 01/26/2009 13:42:26
TriSec on 01/26/2009 13:42:26
Comment by 
Raine on 01/26/2009 13:50:42
Raine on 01/26/2009 13:50:42
Now this is an interesting Facebook Group. Welcome Home George and Laura!
Well to each their own I suppose.
Well to each their own I suppose.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 13:56:16
So what happens now? We a government dissolved? Who is left in charge?
Raine on 01/26/2009 13:56:16
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, folks. In other cheerful news, the government of Iceland has fallen.
Yes, Iceland.
So what happens now? We a government dissolved? Who is left in charge?
Comment by 
wickedpam on 01/26/2009 13:57:33
wickedpam on 01/26/2009 13:57:33
Morning :hug:
I wonder is anyone is going to stand in Mr. Thomas' place? Its going to seem like a very empty spot if no one does
I wonder is anyone is going to stand in Mr. Thomas' place? Its going to seem like a very empty spot if no one does
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 14:12:29
I suspect his wife and his fellow associates.
Raine on 01/26/2009 14:12:29
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning :hug:
I wonder is anyone is going to stand in Mr. Thomas' place? Its going to seem like a very empty spot if no one does
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 14:14:50
Raine on 01/26/2009 14:14:50
The best 6 words in the Engliah language: "This is William Kristol's last column."
Of course the First Sentence is pretty good too.
Of course the First Sentence is pretty good too.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/26/2009 14:22:48
wickedpam on 01/26/2009 14:22:48
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 14:30:32
Wow, wish I knew what planet he lives on. Must be a wonderful place full of chirping birds, clean air, good schools....
TriSec on 01/26/2009 14:30:32
Quote by Raine:
The best 6 words in the Engliah language: "This is William Kristol's last column."
Of course the First Sentence is pretty good too.
Wow, wish I knew what planet he lives on. Must be a wonderful place full of chirping birds, clean air, good schools....
Comment by wickedpam on 01/26/2009 14:37:16
wickedpam on 01/26/2009 14:37:16
Now it's wearing thin? 
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 01/26/2009 14:40:43
Yeah, we are all glad your back in TX - and OUT of the White House!! :rofl:
Morning all.
velveeta jones on 01/26/2009 14:40:43
Quote by Raine:
Now this is an interesting Facebook Group. Welcome Home George and Laura!
Well to each their own I suppose.
Yeah, we are all glad your back in TX - and OUT of the White House!! :rofl:
Morning all.
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 14:41:20
TriSec on 01/26/2009 14:41:20
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your captain speaking.
We're expecting to run into some turbulence over the next 12-18 months. The weather forecast calls for blubbering neocons, continued obstructionism, and ongoing fire and brimstone for the foreseeable future.
I've been advised by Center that there is better weather ahead, but we've got to get through the initial storms first. This could take a while to clear, as we're unable to divert from the course ahead. It's a difficult flight path, but we've got a good aircraft and crew, so we'll get you through as best we can.
Thank you.
We're expecting to run into some turbulence over the next 12-18 months. The weather forecast calls for blubbering neocons, continued obstructionism, and ongoing fire and brimstone for the foreseeable future.
I've been advised by Center that there is better weather ahead, but we've got to get through the initial storms first. This could take a while to clear, as we're unable to divert from the course ahead. It's a difficult flight path, but we've got a good aircraft and crew, so we'll get you through as best we can.
Thank you.
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 14:43:39
Last Tuesday heading into town, we kind of went around the subway car and everyone said where they were from. An elder couple said "Texas", and the car became noticeably darker....
Until the gentleman said "We're here to make sure George gets home safely where he can't do anymore damage."
I say we all join the group and express similar sentiments. (Be kind to your enemies; it will drive them mad!)
TriSec on 01/26/2009 14:43:39
Quote by velveeta jones:
Yeah, we are all glad your back in TX - and OUT of the White House!! :rofl:
Morning all.
Last Tuesday heading into town, we kind of went around the subway car and everyone said where they were from. An elder couple said "Texas", and the car became noticeably darker....
Until the gentleman said "We're here to make sure George gets home safely where he can't do anymore damage."
I say we all join the group and express similar sentiments. (Be kind to your enemies; it will drive them mad!)
Comment by BobR on 01/26/2009 14:55:10
very cool. Unfortunately the zoom lens on the right is obscuring the area where we likely were.
BobR on 01/26/2009 14:55:10
Quote by TriSec:
Inauguration "Gigapan"
It's taking a while to load...
very cool. Unfortunately the zoom lens on the right is obscuring the area where we likely were.
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 15:03:12
TriSec on 01/26/2009 15:03:12
Wha?
Did they just say on the news that Governor Cuckoo Clock (R-IL [retarded]) thought about appointing Ms. Winfrey to the Senate?
Did they just say on the news that Governor Cuckoo Clock (R-IL [retarded]) thought about appointing Ms. Winfrey to the Senate?
Comment by BobR on 01/26/2009 15:07:11
yep - I've seen that on the news sites as well.
BobR on 01/26/2009 15:07:11
Quote by TriSec:
Wha?
Did they just say on the news that Governor Cuckoo Clock (R-IL [retarded]) thought about appointing Ms. Winfrey to the Senate?
yep - I've seen that on the news sites as well.
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 15:11:24
TriSec on 01/26/2009 15:11:24
Erm, didn't Jesus himself tell a group of male diciples "Love one another as I have loved you"?
That didn't strike me as gender specific....
That didn't strike me as gender specific....
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 15:13:12
Raine on 01/26/2009 15:13:12
:yadda: Oh Steve... Steve...
WooHooo
WooHooo
Comment by wickedpam on 01/26/2009 15:13:34
"the journey of the majority" that doesn't even make sense 
wickedpam on 01/26/2009 15:13:34
"the journey of the majority" that doesn't even make sense
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 15:14:23
Yes. Yes you did.
BTW, Blagookoo and his wife will be on the View today.
Raine on 01/26/2009 15:14:23
Quote by TriSec:
Wha?
Did they just say on the news that Governor Cuckoo Clock (R-IL [retarded]) thought about appointing Ms. Winfrey to the Senate?
BTW, Blagookoo and his wife will be on the View today.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 15:20:16
Raine on 01/26/2009 15:20:16
*sigh* 
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/26/2009 15:44:44
velveeta jones on 01/26/2009 15:44:44
"We will not be denying the facts - we will be guided by them" President Barack H. Obama.
:swoon:
:swoon:
Comment by 
livingonli on 01/26/2009 15:45:58
livingonli on 01/26/2009 15:45:58
Good morning everyone. 
I wish this cold would end so that I would finally be motivated to get out of the bed.
And as Mr. Flanders would say about the Bible, "I did everything the Bible told me to do even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff".
I wish this cold would end so that I would finally be motivated to get out of the bed.
And as Mr. Flanders would say about the Bible, "I did everything the Bible told me to do even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff".
Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2009 15:49:45
And Momma was mentioning it earlier in the show. I guess someone aren't paying as much attention as we used to.
livingonli on 01/26/2009 15:49:45
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
Wha?
Did they just say on the news that Governor Cuckoo Clock (R-IL [retarded]) thought about appointing Ms. Winfrey to the Senate?
yep - I've seen that on the news sites as well.
And Momma was mentioning it earlier in the show. I guess someone aren't paying as much attention as we used to.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/26/2009 15:50:33
53 days until spring
wickedpam on 01/26/2009 15:50:33
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
I wish this cold would end so that I would finally be motivated to get out of the bed.
And as Mr. Flanders would say about the Bible, "I did everything the Bible told me to do even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff".
53 days until spring
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 15:54:48
Is is wrong to have these feeling about a president???
Raine on 01/26/2009 15:54:48
Quote by velveeta jones:
"We will not be denying the facts - we will be guided by them" President Barack H. Obama.
:swoon:
Is is wrong to have these feeling about a president???
Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2009 15:54:48
I wish I was a bear so I could sleep until then.
livingonli on 01/26/2009 15:54:48
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
I wish this cold would end so that I would finally be motivated to get out of the bed.
And as Mr. Flanders would say about the Bible, "I did everything the Bible told me to do even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff".
53 days until spring
I wish I was a bear so I could sleep until then.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 15:58:38
Raine on 01/26/2009 15:58:38
While I think Caroline Kennedy would have made a fine senator... she DID have a pretty bad rollout.
I think Hillibrand will be a very strong senator.
...and BTW... Joel Tyner is now running for the seat that Hillibrand is vacating. I know Joel, he's a good guy... I hope he wins the seat.
But it will be a tough one to win.
I think Hillibrand will be a very strong senator.
...and BTW... Joel Tyner is now running for the seat that Hillibrand is vacating. I know Joel, he's a good guy... I hope he wins the seat.
But it will be a tough one to win.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 01/26/2009 15:59:46
Scoopster on 01/26/2009 15:59:46
Morning all! Late again.. but this time I had a reasonable excuse!
... I had an accident with an electric razor, namely the height guide slipped from 9 to 1 while I was doing my regular trim job and VRRRROOOOOWWWWWW now there's a nice 4-inch long patch of scalp with a thin covering of white fuzz where used to stand over an inch of shiny premature grey hair.
Yeah.. and that's not all either. While I was trying to even it all out and TRY to make it look not fubar'd, the battery on the razor ran out. I tried charging it for a few hours overnight and finishing the job this morning, but it died again so now my hair has patches all over where it's a few inches long and it looks like I have some deformed mullet!
I wanted to call into work today sooo bad... but I came in anyways. The crew here at the office had a good quick laugh at my expense.
So anyways...
This... makes me feel SO much better. Now if only the jackass would just keep his mouth shut as well.
... I had an accident with an electric razor, namely the height guide slipped from 9 to 1 while I was doing my regular trim job and VRRRROOOOOWWWWWW now there's a nice 4-inch long patch of scalp with a thin covering of white fuzz where used to stand over an inch of shiny premature grey hair.
Yeah.. and that's not all either. While I was trying to even it all out and TRY to make it look not fubar'd, the battery on the razor ran out. I tried charging it for a few hours overnight and finishing the job this morning, but it died again so now my hair has patches all over where it's a few inches long and it looks like I have some deformed mullet!
I wanted to call into work today sooo bad... but I came in anyways. The crew here at the office had a good quick laugh at my expense.So anyways...
Quote by Raine:
The best 6 words in the Engliah language: "This is William Kristol's last column."
Of course the First Sentence is pretty good too.
This... makes me feel SO much better. Now if only the jackass would just keep his mouth shut as well.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 16:01:45
Oprah Responds to this news:
Raine on 01/26/2009 16:01:45
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
Wha?
Did they just say on the news that Governor Cuckoo Clock (R-IL [retarded]) thought about appointing Ms. Winfrey to the Senate?
yep - I've seen that on the news sites as well.
Oprah Winfrey said she was surprised to learn Wednesday from her best friend Gayle King that Governor Blagojevich was considering her for Barack Obama's vacant Senate seat.
Blagojevich confirmed on Good Morning America that he was considering Winfrey. She said she was meditating when she got the news.
"If I had been watching from the treadmill I probably would have fallen off the treadmill," Winfrey told King on King' Sirius satellite radio program. - Kara Spak
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 16:04:02
Ok Scoop! 
:spit: you are a trouper indeed!
Raine on 01/26/2009 16:04:02
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all! Late again.. but this time I had a reasonable excuse!
... I had an accident with an electric razor, namely the height guide slipped from 9 to 1 while I was doing my regular trim job and VRRRROOOOOWWWWWW now there's a nice 4-inch long patch of scalp with a thin covering of white fuzz where used to stand over an inch of shiny premature grey hair.
Yeah.. and that's not all either. While I was trying to even it all out and TRY to make it look not fubar'd, the battery on the razor ran out. I tried charging it for a few hours overnight and finishing the job this morning, but it died again so now my hair has patches all over where it's a few inches long and it looks like I have some deformed mullet!
So anyways...Quote by Raine:
The best 6 words in the Engliah language: "This is William Kristol's last column."
Of course the First Sentence is pretty good too.
This... makes me feel SO much better. Now if only the jackass would just keep his mouth shut as well.
:spit: you are a trouper indeed!
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 16:05:51
TriSec on 01/26/2009 16:05:51
Comment by BobR on 01/26/2009 16:06:19
:rofl:
BobR on 01/26/2009 16:06:19
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all! Late again.. but this time I had a reasonable excuse!
... I had an accident with an electric razor, namely the height guide slipped from 9 to 1 while I was doing my regular trim job and VRRRROOOOOWWWWWW now there's a nice 4-inch long patch of scalp with a thin covering of white fuzz where used to stand over an inch of shiny premature grey hair.
Yeah.. and that's not all either. While I was trying to even it all out and TRY to make it look not fubar'd, the battery on the razor ran out. I tried charging it for a few hours overnight and finishing the job this morning, but it died again so now my hair has patches all over where it's a few inches long and it looks like I have some deformed mullet!
:rofl:
Comment by wickedpam on 01/26/2009 16:13:05
wickedpam on 01/26/2009 16:13:05
Scoop just tell them your predicting the latest trends, their behind the times if they haven't done the same thing by now ;)
Or say your inspired by the whole "change" theme of the nation and felt you could do with a fresh start on your hair :p
Or say your inspired by the whole "change" theme of the nation and felt you could do with a fresh start on your hair :p
Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2009 16:15:09
livingonli on 01/26/2009 16:15:09
Now trying rolling that many R's. 
Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2009 16:17:46
livingonli on 01/26/2009 16:17:46
1000 bucks an hour. That is very Republican. That will guarantee that the only ones who can afford her are wealthy Republicans.
Comment by Scoopster on 01/26/2009 16:19:52
Scoopster on 01/26/2009 16:19:52
:rofl: Yep that about says it Tri..
Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2009 16:22:55
This is when you want to wear a hat all the time.
livingonli on 01/26/2009 16:22:55
Quote by TriSec:
This is when you want to wear a hat all the time.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/26/2009 16:25:28
wickedpam on 01/26/2009 16:25:28
speaking of the Hat, Raine I love your new FB pict :D
Comment by Scoopster on 01/26/2009 16:26:24
Scoopster on 01/26/2009 16:26:24
Some Republitard Senator has an anonymous hold on Hilda Solis' nomination to be Secy of Labor...
Rumors are it's Sen. Enzi from Wyoming.. personally I wouldn't be surprised if it's McConnell himself though since he's married to that corporate shill Elaine Chao.
Rumors are it's Sen. Enzi from Wyoming.. personally I wouldn't be surprised if it's McConnell himself though since he's married to that corporate shill Elaine Chao.
Comment by Scoopster on 01/26/2009 16:27:40
OMG I wanted to wear my Yankees hat today, but I couldn't find it.. so I put on my flag bandana instead for the bus ride.. but I can't wear that all day at the office! :lol:
Scoopster on 01/26/2009 16:27:40
Quote by livingonli:
This is when you want to wear a hat all the time.
OMG I wanted to wear my Yankees hat today, but I couldn't find it.. so I put on my flag bandana instead for the bus ride.. but I can't wear that all day at the office! :lol:
Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2009 16:31:15
And Elaine Chao ruled against Labor every time. Like we need any more proof, the GOP only sides with the interests of the wealthy and not working folk.
livingonli on 01/26/2009 16:31:15
Quote by Scoopster:
Some Republitard Senator has an anonymous hold on Hilda Solis' nomination to be Secy of Labor...
Rumors are it's Sen. Enzi from Wyoming.. personally I wouldn't be surprised if it's McConnell himself though since he's married to that corporate shill Elaine Chao.
And Elaine Chao ruled against Labor every time. Like we need any more proof, the GOP only sides with the interests of the wealthy and not working folk.
Comment by Scoopster on 01/26/2009 16:35:57
Actually, her nomination is still in committee... which means it might be either Lamar Alexander (the Asst. Minority Leader) or Tom Coburn. Both have expressed their desire to see Employee Free Choice defeated.
Scoopster on 01/26/2009 16:35:57
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Scoopster:
Some Republitard Senator has an anonymous hold on Hilda Solis' nomination to be Secy of Labor...
Rumors are it's Sen. Enzi from Wyoming.. personally I wouldn't be surprised if it's McConnell himself though since he's married to that corporate shill Elaine Chao.
And Elaine Chao ruled against Labor every time. Like we need any more proof, the GOP only sides with the interests of the wealthy and not working folk.
Actually, her nomination is still in committee... which means it might be either Lamar Alexander (the Asst. Minority Leader) or Tom Coburn. Both have expressed their desire to see Employee Free Choice defeated.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 16:40:21
This comment... Seriously... Why is this hold being allowed to happen?
Raine on 01/26/2009 16:40:21
Quote by Scoopster:
Some Republitard Senator has an anonymous hold on Hilda Solis' nomination to be Secy of Labor...
Rumors are it's Sen. Enzi from Wyoming.. personally I wouldn't be surprised if it's McConnell himself though since he's married to that corporate shill Elaine Chao.
because Harry Reid allows it to.
All the Senate leadership has to do is to proceed with the confirmation process. That'd flush out the "anonymous" holder. And if the Republicans do filibuster, fine, let them! More likely than not we'll break it.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 16:47:18
Its Enzi. There was something on the 'Tubes Friday. I called his office.
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 16:47:18
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Scoopster:
Some Republitard Senator has an anonymous hold on Hilda Solis' nomination to be Secy of Labor...
Rumors are it's Sen. Enzi from Wyoming.. personally I wouldn't be surprised if it's McConnell himself though since he's married to that corporate shill Elaine Chao.
And Elaine Chao ruled against Labor every time. Like we need any more proof, the GOP only sides with the interests of the wealthy and not working folk.
Actually, her nomination is still in committee... which means it might be either Lamar Alexander (the Asst. Minority Leader) or Tom Coburn. Both have expressed their desire to see Employee Free Choice defeated.
Its Enzi. There was something on the 'Tubes Friday. I called his office.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 16:56:26
:scans:
Really? It's taken this long? I figured that would have happened about 2 months ago. In a parliamentarian form of government failing no big deal happens all the time. They hold and election and form a new one.
I sense a buying opportunity in sweaters. Sweaters and herring and whatever that disgusting rotten shark meat dish is called.
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 16:56:26
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, folks. In other cheerful news, the government of Iceland has fallen.
Yes, Iceland.
:scans:
Really? It's taken this long? I figured that would have happened about 2 months ago. In a parliamentarian form of government failing no big deal happens all the time. They hold and election and form a new one.
I sense a buying opportunity in sweaters. Sweaters and herring and whatever that disgusting rotten shark meat dish is called.
Comment by Scoopster on 01/26/2009 17:34:01
Scoopster on 01/26/2009 17:34:01
Wow.. A most unexpected casualty of this shitty economy.
Well at least we'll always have FSX Tri :hug:
Well at least we'll always have FSX Tri :hug:
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 17:35:00
Okay more ill informed Reid bashing. The holds are a prerogative of any member of the Senate. It is again something that Reid could have stoped. He has no control over members of the minority. In my opinion, a filibuster weakens the reputation of majority with the public and makes the minority look better. Both sets of leadership know that. So, until there are say 65 Democrats in the Senate shite like this is going to happen all the time.
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 17:35:00
Quote by Raine:This comment...Quote by Scoopster:
Some Republitard Senator has an anonymous hold on Hilda Solis' nomination to be Secy of Labor...
Rumors are it's Sen. Enzi from Wyoming.. personally I wouldn't be surprised if it's McConnell himself though since he's married to that corporate shill Elaine Chao.Seriously... Why is this hold being allowed to happen?because Harry Reid allows it to.
All the Senate leadership has to do is to proceed with the confirmation process. That'd flush out the "anonymous" holder. And if the Republicans do filibuster, fine, let them! More likely than not we'll break it.
Okay more ill informed Reid bashing. The holds are a prerogative of any member of the Senate. It is again something that Reid could have stoped. He has no control over members of the minority. In my opinion, a filibuster weakens the reputation of majority with the public and makes the minority look better. Both sets of leadership know that. So, until there are say 65 Democrats in the Senate shite like this is going to happen all the time.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 17:40:40
Raine on 01/26/2009 17:40:40
Comment by BobR on 01/26/2009 17:41:09
I believe you mean Hákarl... I wonder if I can get some brennivin
BobR on 01/26/2009 17:41:09
Quote by Mondobubba:
:scans:
Really? It's taken this long? I figured that would have happened about 2 months ago. In a parliamentarian form of government failing no big deal happens all the time. They hold and election and form a new one.
I sense a buying opportunity in sweaters. Sweaters and herring and whatever that disgusting rotten shark meat dish is called.
I believe you mean Hákarl... I wonder if I can get some brennivin
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 17:43:47
#1) how is this Reid bashing?
#2) I asked a question so I could be informed.
#3) Should I choose to bash Reid, please understand that it would not be from a place of being "ill-informed"
mmmk?
Raine on 01/26/2009 17:43:47
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:This comment...Quote by Scoopster:
Some Republitard Senator has an anonymous hold on Hilda Solis' nomination to be Secy of Labor...
Rumors are it's Sen. Enzi from Wyoming.. personally I wouldn't be surprised if it's McConnell himself though since he's married to that corporate shill Elaine Chao.Seriously... Why is this hold being allowed to happen?because Harry Reid allows it to.
All the Senate leadership has to do is to proceed with the confirmation process. That'd flush out the "anonymous" holder. And if the Republicans do filibuster, fine, let them! More likely than not we'll break it.
Okay more ill informed Reid bashing. The holds are a prerogative of any member of the Senate. It is again something that Reid could have stoped. He has no control over members of the minority. In my opinion, a filibuster weakens the reputation of majority with the public and makes the minority look better. Both sets of leadership know that. So, until there are say 65 Democrats in the Senate shite like this is going to happen all the time.
#1) how is this Reid bashing?
#2) I asked a question so I could be informed.
#3) Should I choose to bash Reid, please understand that it would not be from a place of being "ill-informed"
mmmk?
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/26/2009 17:52:14
velveeta jones on 01/26/2009 17:52:14
:popping back in:
Today's cheese, btw, is: San Joaquin Gold. Hmmmm. Cheeeeeeese....
Today's cheese, btw, is: San Joaquin Gold. Hmmmm. Cheeeeeeese....
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 17:56:14
TriSec on 01/26/2009 17:56:14
UFO at the Inaugural!
'course, we were at that end of the mall with all the po' folk....I didn't see nuthin'.
If the surest sign that intelligent life exists in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us, is this a good thing that they came to check out President Obama?
'course, we were at that end of the mall with all the po' folk....I didn't see nuthin'.
If the surest sign that intelligent life exists in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us, is this a good thing that they came to check out President Obama?
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 17:59:35
Did I mention a certain chunk of Cheesy goodness was absolutely DELISH?
Raine on 01/26/2009 17:59:35
Quote by velveeta jones:
:popping back in:
Today's cheese, btw, is: San Joaquin Gold. Hmmmm. Cheeeeeeese....
Did I mention a certain chunk of Cheesy goodness was absolutely DELISH?
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 18:03:18
Oh, dear. I've had some kind of version in the house since 1984. I too played it in the beginning on a Commodore 64. (from the comments section.)
For my money though, the best version was Flight Simulator 98....that was right before the Direct-X revolution when the developers were more interested in modeling the flight parameters accurately.
Starting with Flight Simulator 2000, they got away from the roots....I mean, who wants an accurate model of the interior if it flies like a wingless turd and makes your system crash?
TriSec on 01/26/2009 18:03:18
Quote by Scoopster:
Wow.. A most unexpected casualty of this shitty economy.
Well at least we'll always have FSX Tri :hug:
Oh, dear. I've had some kind of version in the house since 1984. I too played it in the beginning on a Commodore 64. (from the comments section.)
For my money though, the best version was Flight Simulator 98....that was right before the Direct-X revolution when the developers were more interested in modeling the flight parameters accurately.
Starting with Flight Simulator 2000, they got away from the roots....I mean, who wants an accurate model of the interior if it flies like a wingless turd and makes your system crash?
Comment by wickedpam on 01/26/2009 18:11:03
I don't want to bust any bubbles, but it's a bug
wickedpam on 01/26/2009 18:11:03
Quote by TriSec:
UFO at the Inaugural!
'course, we were at that end of the mall with all the po' folk....I didn't see nuthin'.
If the surest sign that intelligent life exists in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us, is this a good thing that they came to check out President Obama?
I don't want to bust any bubbles, but it's a bug
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 18:18:41
No, you weren't bashing Reid. One of the response on the posted thingy said
"The 'anonymous hold' only exists because Harry Reid allows it to." Which is ill-informed.
Your Harry Reid bashing always has and always will continue to be well informed.
Mondo regrets the lack of clarity of his previous post.
Blaming Reid for what the GOP does procedurally is kinda pointless. He can't control what they are doing because the Republicans are playing by the rules. Yes they are using the rules to their advantage but short of a vote on the floor of the Senate, Reid can't stop the parliamentarian maneuvers and ploys.
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 18:18:41
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:This comment...Quote by Scoopster:
Some Republitard Senator has an anonymous hold on Hilda Solis' nomination to be Secy of Labor...
Rumors are it's Sen. Enzi from Wyoming.. personally I wouldn't be surprised if it's McConnell himself though since he's married to that corporate shill Elaine Chao.Seriously... Why is this hold being allowed to happen?because Harry Reid allows it to.
All the Senate leadership has to do is to proceed with the confirmation process. That'd flush out the "anonymous" holder. And if the Republicans do filibuster, fine, let them! More likely than not we'll break it.
Okay more ill informed Reid bashing. The holds are a prerogative of any member of the Senate. It is again something that Reid could have stoped. He has no control over members of the minority. In my opinion, a filibuster weakens the reputation of majority with the public and makes the minority look better. Both sets of leadership know that. So, until there are say 65 Democrats in the Senate shite like this is going to happen all the time.
#1) how is this Reid bashing?
#2) I asked a question so I could be informed.
#3) Should I choose to bash Reid, please understand that it would not be from a place of being "ill-informed"
mmmk?
No, you weren't bashing Reid. One of the response on the posted thingy said
"The 'anonymous hold' only exists because Harry Reid allows it to." Which is ill-informed.
Your Harry Reid bashing always has and always will continue to be well informed.
Mondo regrets the lack of clarity of his previous post.
Blaming Reid for what the GOP does procedurally is kinda pointless. He can't control what they are doing because the Republicans are playing by the rules. Yes they are using the rules to their advantage but short of a vote on the floor of the Senate, Reid can't stop the parliamentarian maneuvers and ploys.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 18:29:54
Hákarl! Yes thankee Bobber. It is a food concept so gross I burned the proper name out of my mind. But who am I to judge, I like scrapple
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 18:29:54
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
:scans:
Really? It's taken this long? I figured that would have happened about 2 months ago. In a parliamentarian form of government failing no big deal happens all the time. They hold and election and form a new one.
I sense a buying opportunity in sweaters. Sweaters and herring and whatever that disgusting rotten shark meat dish is called.
I believe you mean Hákarl... I wonder if I can get some brennivin
Hákarl! Yes thankee Bobber. It is a food concept so gross I burned the proper name out of my mind. But who am I to judge, I like scrapple
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 18:30:18
But, it was like 6º that day! Unless it's some kind of giant mutated ant or something.
TriSec on 01/26/2009 18:30:18
Quote by wickedpam:
I don't want to bust any bubbles, but it's a bug
But, it was like 6º that day! Unless it's some kind of giant mutated ant or something.
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 18:31:15
TriSec on 01/26/2009 18:31:15
Comment by wickedpam on 01/26/2009 18:38:33
we still have the occasional bug - we breed'em hardy here. Anyway, I watch a lot of shows that are paranormal related where they debunk images like that - usually orbs are just dust on the lens or in the air and elongated images that zip by in a blurr are bugs.
paranormal photography
wickedpam on 01/26/2009 18:38:33
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
I don't want to bust any bubbles, but it's a bug
But, it was like 6º that day! Unless it's some kind of giant mutated ant or something.
we still have the occasional bug - we breed'em hardy here. Anyway, I watch a lot of shows that are paranormal related where they debunk images like that - usually orbs are just dust on the lens or in the air and elongated images that zip by in a blurr are bugs.
paranormal photography
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 18:39:13
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 18:39:13
Oh forgot to mention something about Senate majority leaders, the levers of power and the rules of the Senate. Read Robert Caro's Master of the Senate. Besides being volume three of the masterful biography of Lyndon Johnson, it is also a history of the Senate. There is also a ton of information on the rules of the Senate too. It is well worth the investment of your time. All 1200 pages of it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 18:42:58
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 18:42:58
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 18:51:49
More for me!
munchbitechew...die.
:thud:
TriSec on 01/26/2009 18:51:49
Quote by Mondobubba:
:shudder: You had to go there didn't you Tri? Mmmm paralytic shellfish toxins and PCBs.That's some good eats!
More for me!
munchbitechew...die.
:thud:
Comment by 
starling310 on 01/26/2009 18:53:50
starling310 on 01/26/2009 18:53:50
WOH! Anyone listening to Ellen Ratner on with Thom about the SCOTUS decision today?!?!
:thud:
:thud:
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 18:56:44
:rofl: Well played, Sir! You are a delight! :Lipton: :ruffles through giant stack of blue index cards:
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 18:56:44
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
:shudder: You had to go there didn't you Tri? Mmmm paralytic shellfish toxins and PCBs.That's some good eats!
More for me!
munchbitechew...die.
:thud:
:rofl: Well played, Sir! You are a delight! :Lipton: :ruffles through giant stack of blue index cards:
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:02:26
What did she have to say Stahlink?
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:02:26
Quote by starling310:
WOH! Anyone listening to Ellen Ratner on with Thom about the SCOTUS decision today?!?!
:thud:
What did she have to say Stahlink?
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:05:10
I see your fiddleheads and raise you a chitterling
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:05:10
Quote by TriSec:
mmm....how about fiddleheads, then?
I see your fiddleheads and raise you a chitterling
Comment by starling310 on 01/26/2009 19:07:20
It was a unanimous decision.
I am looking for the other thing too...
Basically that Police can search your car if they "have a feeling."
starling310 on 01/26/2009 19:07:20
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
WOH! Anyone listening to Ellen Ratner on with Thom about the SCOTUS decision today?!?!
:thud:
What did she have to say Stahlink?
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled Monday that police officers have leeway to frisk a passenger in a car stopped for a traffic violation even if nothing indicates the passenger has committed a crime or is about to do so.
It was a unanimous decision.
I am looking for the other thing too...
Basically that Police can search your car if they "have a feeling."
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:10:18
:thud: and
again
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:10:18
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
WOH! Anyone listening to Ellen Ratner on with Thom about the SCOTUS decision today?!?!
:thud:
What did she have to say Stahlink?WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled Monday that police officers have leeway to frisk a passenger in a car stopped for a traffic violation even if nothing indicates the passenger has committed a crime or is about to do so.
It was a unanimous decision.
I am looking for the other thing too...
Basically that Police can search your car if they "have a feeling."
:thud: and
again
Comment by starling310 on 01/26/2009 19:12:03
No shite!
Like Ellen said "We may have a new President, but we need a new Supreme Court."
starling310 on 01/26/2009 19:12:03
Quote by Mondobubba:
:thud: and
No shite!
Like Ellen said "We may have a new President, but we need a new Supreme Court."
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 19:13:39
Tie.
Same thing; different animal. Gotta get mum's recipe for that, though.
TriSec on 01/26/2009 19:13:39
Quote by Mondobubba:
I see your fiddleheads and raise you a chitterling
Tie.
Same thing; different animal. Gotta get mum's recipe for that, though.
Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2009 19:14:35
And even scarier that it was unanimous and not just the Fascist Five. We definitely need to purge the courts so that we can get rid of the Reagan and Bushes appointees.
livingonli on 01/26/2009 19:14:35
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
WOH! Anyone listening to Ellen Ratner on with Thom about the SCOTUS decision today?!?!
:thud:
What did she have to say Stahlink?WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled Monday that police officers have leeway to frisk a passenger in a car stopped for a traffic violation even if nothing indicates the passenger has committed a crime or is about to do so.
It was a unanimous decision.
I am looking for the other thing too...
Basically that Police can search your car if they "have a feeling."
:thud: and
And even scarier that it was unanimous and not just the Fascist Five. We definitely need to purge the courts so that we can get rid of the Reagan and Bushes appointees.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 19:24:41
Raine on 01/26/2009 19:24:41
:star: Where did you get that linkity?
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 19:27:24
Raine on 01/26/2009 19:27:24
NeverMind I found it.
I found it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:27:43
Here is the entire opinion. I remove my second
Johnson V Arizona
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:27:43
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
WOH! Anyone listening to Ellen Ratner on with Thom about the SCOTUS decision today?!?!
:thud:
What did she have to say Stahlink?WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled Monday that police officers have leeway to frisk a passenger in a car stopped for a traffic violation even if nothing indicates the passenger has committed a crime or is about to do so.
It was a unanimous decision.
I am looking for the other thing too...
Basically that Police can search your car if they "have a feeling."
:thud: and
Here is the entire opinion. I remove my second
Johnson V Arizona
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:29:40
Not really. Tripe is stomach. Chitlin is intestines and rectum.
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:29:40
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
I see your fiddleheads and raise you a chitterling
Tie.
Same thing; different animal. Gotta get mum's recipe for that, though.
Not really. Tripe is stomach. Chitlin is intestines and rectum.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:41:38
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 19:41:38
Having read the opinion in Johnson v AZ there is a reason it was unanimous ruling has nothing to do with Bush/Reagan appointees, but with lots of case law on traffic stops. Lets be reasonable here for a moment fellow bloggers. If any of us is pulled over by the cop for a traffic violation, what are the chances that we will be frisked? I'd say about zero.
With that said, do I think there will be a rise in the number of people needlessly frisked at a routine traffic stop? Hell yes! Especially when the stop is for DWB or DWH.
With that said, do I think there will be a rise in the number of people needlessly frisked at a routine traffic stop? Hell yes! Especially when the stop is for DWB or DWH.
Comment by BobR on 01/26/2009 20:00:56
Still, any officer can now say "I was concerned for my safety" as an excuse to frisk anyone they want anytime. I think it sets a very dangerous precedent, and gives the police way too much leeway and discretion.
BobR on 01/26/2009 20:00:56
Quote by Mondobubba:
Having read the opinion in Johnson v AZ there is a reason it was unanimous ruling has nothing to do with Bush/Reagan appointees, but with lots of case law on traffic stops. Lets be reasonable here for a moment fellow bloggers. If any of us is pulled over by the cop for a traffic violation, what are the chances that we will be frisked? I'd say about zero.
With that said, do I think there will be a rise in the number of people needlessly frisked at a routine traffic stop? Hell yes! Especially when the stop is for DWB or DWH.
Still, any officer can now say "I was concerned for my safety" as an excuse to frisk anyone they want anytime. I think it sets a very dangerous precedent, and gives the police way too much leeway and discretion.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 20:14:09
Hence my use of Mr Thud. Those friskees are going to be young African American and Hispanic males.
Personally I am really torn on this one. There are a lot of safety issues for cops on traffic stops, which is something that the opinion touches on more than once. There is also a lot of case law that supports the ruling. It just rubs me the wrong way that we put so much faith on the "feeling" of the officer running the stop. That is going to be abused.
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 20:14:09
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Having read the opinion in Johnson v AZ there is a reason it was unanimous ruling has nothing to do with Bush/Reagan appointees, but with lots of case law on traffic stops. Lets be reasonable here for a moment fellow bloggers. If any of us is pulled over by the cop for a traffic violation, what are the chances that we will be frisked? I'd say about zero.
With that said, do I think there will be a rise in the number of people needlessly frisked at a routine traffic stop? Hell yes! Especially when the stop is for DWB or DWH.
Still, any officer can now say "I was concerned for my safety" as an excuse to frisk anyone they want anytime. I think it sets a very dangerous precedent, and gives the police way too much leeway and discretion.
Hence my use of Mr Thud. Those friskees are going to be young African American and Hispanic males.
Personally I am really torn on this one. There are a lot of safety issues for cops on traffic stops, which is something that the opinion touches on more than once. There is also a lot of case law that supports the ruling. It just rubs me the wrong way that we put so much faith on the "feeling" of the officer running the stop. That is going to be abused.
Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2009 20:49:27
livingonli on 01/26/2009 20:49:27
It's just about time to head off to the salt mine.
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 21:01:55
TriSec on 01/26/2009 21:01:55
*sigh*
Facebook would be a whole lot more fun if it wasn't for the foul scent coming from the right side of the building.
Fascists. All of them.
Facebook would be a whole lot more fun if it wasn't for the foul scent coming from the right side of the building.
Fascists. All of them.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 21:19:59
OH?
Do you need to Deface a few people?
Raine on 01/26/2009 21:19:59
Quote by TriSec:
*sigh*
Facebook would be a whole lot more fun if it wasn't for the foul scent coming from the right side of the building.
Fascists. All of them.
Do you need to Deface a few people?
Comment by TriSec on 01/26/2009 21:33:44
TriSec on 01/26/2009 21:33:44
I'm sorely tempted....but it's our former rightist colleage here (and his network), and I'm reluctant to do that for the moment.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 21:36:15
Raine on 01/26/2009 21:36:15
ooofda.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 21:45:58
Raine on 01/26/2009 21:45:58
Listening to Randi alk about possibly moving the show to DC. I have to say, Bob and I were saying that it would be nice to live there. When the time comes -- it is on the list of possibilities.
I really love DC.
I really love DC.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 22:19:41
DC rocks!
:metal: Contrary to popular belief you aren't going to killed. The murder rate in DC has dropped like 47% in the past few years. DC is also a very livable city. Especially if decide not to live in Ward 3.
Mondobubba on 01/26/2009 22:19:41
Quote by Raine:
Listening to Randi alk about possibly moving the show to DC. I have to say, Bob and I were saying that it would be nice to live there. When the time comes -- it is on the list of possibilities.
I really love DC.
DC rocks!
:metal: Contrary to popular belief you aren't going to killed. The murder rate in DC has dropped like 47% in the past few years. DC is also a very livable city. Especially if decide not to live in Ward 3.
Comment by Raine on 01/26/2009 23:03:25
Update... it is 74,000
MY GAWD. They are calling this *Bloody Monday* --- can I get a check in from everyone? ?
Raine on 01/26/2009 23:03:25
Quote by Raine:
72,500 jobs cut... TODAY
Update... it is 74,000
MY GAWD. They are calling this *Bloody Monday* --- can I get a check in from everyone?
?
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 01/26/2009 23:12:08
Is that new home The Hague?
trojanrabbit on 01/26/2009 23:12:08
Quote by Raine:
Now this is an interesting Facebook Group. Welcome Home George and Laura!
Well to each their own I suppose.
Is that new home The Hague?
Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2009 23:24:31
I hope.
livingonli on 01/26/2009 23:24:31
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:
Now this is an interesting Facebook Group. Welcome Home George and Laura!
Well to each their own I suppose.
Is that new home The Hague?
I hope.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/27/2009 00:07:05
Mondobubba on 01/27/2009 00:07:05
Comment by TriSec on 01/27/2009 02:05:57
TriSec on 01/27/2009 02:05:57
Evening. Finishing up the DC travelogue this evening...I'll post it on the forum eventually. It's much more fleshed out than the brief snippet I posted here last week.
Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2009 03:05:40
livingonli on 01/27/2009 03:05:40
And the Knicks beat Houston tonight.
Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2009 07:04:54
livingonli on 01/27/2009 07:04:54
Just to make it a nice even 100 posts.