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Author: BobR    Date: 10/02/2024 13:18:33

Last night was the veep candidates' debate. On the surface, it appeared to be a draw, with Vance flirting with the camera, and Walz being... well... Tim Walz. Dems are probably a little irritated that Walz didn't wipe the floor with Vance. Republicans are probably a little irritated that Vance distanced himself from tRump's policies.

One of the most aggravating things for me as a viewer is that Vance kept trying to insinuate that Kamala Harris was actually president for the last 4 years. He kept saying "the Harris administration" instead of the "Biden" administration. Harris doesn't currently have the power to do what she'd like to do, but Vance apparently thought she did.

Still, there were some important takeaways from last night's debate:
What’s notable here is the way that Vance — a Yale-educated lawyer who wrote "Hillbilly Elegy," a bestselling memoir that endeavored to “explain” the white working class to coastal elites — was able to code-switch from his usual MAGA audience to more moderate swing voters concerned about the end of Roe v. Wade (and inclined to vote Democrat because of it).

The question is whether Vance’s effort was so slick as to seem deceptive. For Walz, it certainly was — and he went on to point out that it’s Harris who wants to strengthen the federal safety net for families, not Trump.

“Just mind your own business on this,” he said. “Things work[ed] best when Roe v. Wade was in place. When we do a restoration of Roe, that works best. … [Stop] hiding behind ‘we're going to do all these other things’ when you're not proposing them in your budget. Kamala Harris is proposing … all those things to make life easier for families.”

The biggest win for Walz - and which should be used in a campaign ad - is when Vance couldn't say "yes" when asked whether tRump lost in 2020:
JD Vance has refused to say whether he thinks Donald Trump lost the 2020 election, and whether he would contest the 2024 vote if Democrats win next month.

The Republican vice-presidential candidate - who has previously said he would have challenged the 2020 result if given the chance - avoided giving answers on both issues during Tuesday night's debate.

[...]

The exchange unfolded after the CBS News moderators asked Vance if he would try to challenge the results of November's election, even if every US state governor certified them - as was the case in 2020.

Vance did not directly answer, instead saying he was "focused on the future".

But Walz persisted with the events of 2020 - challenging Vance to answer whether Trump had lost the poll. When Vance again sought to change the topic, Walz said: "That is a damning non-answer."

Joy Reid on MSNBC made an interesting point in the discussion at the conclusion of the debate. She said that Dems and Reps already know who they're voting for. This debate was all about trying to convince the Undecides to vote for their candidate. It's too early to tell whether either candidate was successful.
 

6 comments (Latest Comment: 10/02/2024 19:56:33 by Will_in_Ca)
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Comment by Raine on 10/02/2024 14:06:23
"That is a damning non-answer."

The campaign wasted NO time on it



Comment by Raine on 10/02/2024 14:13:37


Comment by BobR on 10/02/2024 14:19:15
Comment by Will_in_Ca on 10/02/2024 19:36:58
Hello, bloggers!!!!

I hope that everyone is well.

To me, Vance came across like a used car salesman. Walz may have started a bit rough, but improved.

Comment by Will_in_Ca on 10/02/2024 19:45:22
Hello, bloggers!!!!

I hope that everyone is well.

To me, Vance came across like a used car salesman. Walz may have started a bit rough, but improved during the debate.

I think Walz came ahead as two of Vance's moments showed him as arrogant and not someoen to trust. The first was when he did not accept a clarification as the question and attacked the moderators -- who would have been intheir right to point out that Donald J. Trump signed the law that let in the Haitians who moved to Springfield. The other was Vance not being able to admit that Joe Biden won the election after minimizing January 6, 2021.

Comment by Will_in_Ca on 10/02/2024 19:56:33
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