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Under The Radar
Author: BobR    Date: 07/01/2009 12:01:06

The last few days have been rather monolithic with regards to the news. First it was Farrah Fawcett, then Michael Jackson, then Harlequin Romance Novel cover model Governor Sanford, and then yesterday Senator Franken (c'mon Bill-O - you can say it!). With all of this hubbub going on, you have to assume some other news items got overlooked. As a public service, we here at FourFreedoms News are happy to pass along some of these Under the Radar stories.

Starting internationally, former House Rep Cynthia McKinney was "kidnapped" by Israel as she tried to participate in a humanitarian aid effort to Palestine:
A group of 21 peace activists sailing to Palestine were intercepted and arrested by Israeli authorities on Tuesday as they attempted to bring food and medical supplies to the war-torn city of Gaza. Israel said it plans to deport most of the people involved, including former U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and Mairead Maguire, a Nobel laureate.

The group insists they were not in Israeli waters. In a media advisory, the arrests were characterized as kidnapping.

"This is an outrageous violation of international law against us," said McKinney in a press release issued by the Free Gaza Movement. "Our boat was not in Israeli waters, and we were on a human rights mission to the Gaza Strip. President Obama just told Israel to let in humanitarian and reconstruction supplies, and that’s exactly what we tried to do."

They will likely all be released, but this should raise a stink. However, since it doesn't involve McKinney "assaulting" a security guard, you won't hear anything.

In other disturbing news Arizona becomes the first state to criminalize illegal aliens:
Arizona has moved a step closer to becoming the only state to criminalize the presence of illegal immigrants through an expansion of its trespassing law.

A 16-11 vote by the Arizona Senate early Wednesday would criminalize the presence of illegal immigrants in the state. The measure must still be approved in the House and signed by Gov. Jan Brewer.

As a reminder, the current federal law regarding people entering the country illegally is civil, not criminal. Despite some people referring to illegal aliens as "criminals", they technically should not be referred to as such because they have not broken criminal law - until now... in Arizona.

For further infuriation, Citibank is raising rates on millions of credit cards:
Citigroup Inc has increased interest rates on up to 15 million U.S. credit card accounts just months before curbs on such rises come into effect, the Financial Times reported citing people close to the situation.

Citigroup had upped rates on 13 million to 15 million credit cards it co-brands with retailers such as Sears, the paper said.

In a statement, Citigroup said "We have adjusted pricing and card terms for some customers as part of our regular account reviews. This is an ongoing process to ensure we offer terms, interest rates, credit lines and products based on individual needs and risk profiles."
(bold-face mine)

I don't remember if they got any TARP funds, but if they did, this should be forbidden. This is usury of the worst sort.

Finally, in slightly better news, Secretary of Defense Gates is looking to enforce DADT a little less exuberantly:
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday he wants to make the law prohibiting gays from serving openly in the armed forces "more humane" until Congress eventually repeals it. He said he has lawyers studying ways the law might be selectively enforced.

"One of the things we're looking at is, is there flexibility in how we apply this law?" Gates said.

The defense chief, a holdover from the Republican administration of former President George W. Bush, told reporters traveling with him in Europe that the Clinton-era ban was written without much wiggle room. The Pentagon general counsel is looking at potential avenues around full enforcement as a stopgap, Gates said.

For example, Gates said, the military might not have to expel someone whose sexual orientation was revealed by a third party out of vindictiveness or suspect motives. That would include, Gates said, someone who was "jilted" by the gay service member.

Yay?

So now that we've fed your head, feed your stomach with a and have some and enjoy the rest of your day!...

 

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Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 12:33:54
Morning :hug:

Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 12:51:15
Morning!



Ugh that crazy ol' sun was teasing us this morning! :shakesfist:

Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 12:53:11
Howdy folks!



Looking out at the fog and gloom, and wondering if our US NAVY BLUE ANGELS are going to be able to fly over Boston today....



(It's been fairly interesting following the story at Boston.com. They allow unmoderated comments on the stories, and a group I call "The haters" has taken over the thread. Curious that they don't have any problems over taxpayer money being spent on the USS Constitution, Lexington Green, The Freedom Trail, Bunker Hill, etc.)



And happy Canada Day!

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 12:59:44
How do you hate the Blue Angels? :scratchhead:

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 13:01:56
Hey Scoop - your a gamer, right? Do you know of a game that merges a tomb raider with a FF?

Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 13:03:54
Folks are complaining about the wasted taxpayer dollars and the obvious, over-the-top jingoism and recruiting opportunity the Blue Angels represent.



Of course, I blogged about this myself Saturday. But I also decided that I like airplanes too much. Hey, I realize that most of my tax dollar goes to the military....even I like to see what I'm paying for every now and again.







Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 13:11:13
I understand how it could be a waste of tax dollars - but its the Blue Angels. Its always been a treat to see them no matter what. They are as part of Americana now as the images of the fife and drum, red, white & blue, apple pie, minute men.

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 13:12:49
Quote by wickedpam:

Hey Scoop - your a gamer, right? Do you know of a game that merges a tomb raider with a FF?


Scoop...scoop...*is hurt*

Just joking...though no clue.

Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 13:13:07
Quote by wickedpam:

Hey Scoop - your a gamer, right? Do you know of a game that merges a tomb raider with a FF?


Hmmm.. off the top I don't, will have to do some digging & asking around.

Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 13:14:51
The hell of it is, it's actually not a waste of taxpayer money. The Blue Angels are an active-duty squadron, they're included in the military's annual budget to begin with. The difference is, instead of overseas, they are deployed to the United States, and the mission is public relations, outreach, and yes....recruiting.



They can repaint those jets gray, bomb up, and be overseas in 24 hours if they had to.



(and it's the same for the Thunderbirds, too.)



Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 13:15:05
Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Hey Scoop - your a gamer, right? Do you know of a game that merges a tomb raider with a FF?


Scoop...scoop...*is hurt*

Just joking...though no clue.






:hug: Sorry Ran didn't realize you were lurking :)

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 13:16:12
This just in, The reason Bill'O was not on last night, he was found in his home, head exploded.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 13:17:19
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Hey Scoop - your a gamer, right? Do you know of a game that merges a tomb raider with a FF?


Hmmm.. off the top I don't, will have to do some digging & asking around.




thanks, looking for a new game but everything looks so childish. Thinking I may try a resident evil but I'm not crazy about the horror games.



keep in mind that I have a PS2 and a Wii if that helps limit a search.



Or do you or Ran know of a good site to do a little digging of my own?



Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 13:19:06
In any case....don't take my word for it. Read the comments yourself.





Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 13:22:21
Quote by TriSec:

The hell of it is, it's actually not a waste of taxpayer money. The Blue Angels are an active-duty squadron, they're included in the military's annual budget to begin with. The difference is, instead of overseas, they are deployed to the United States, and the mission is public relations, outreach, and yes....recruiting.



They can repaint those jets gray, bomb up, and be overseas in 24 hours if they had to.



(and it's the same for the Thunderbirds, too.)





isnt' there also a group called the Black Knights - think there jumpers though



Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 13:25:13
Quote by TriSec:

In any case....don't take my word for it. Read the comments yourself.









I believe ya - I'll whine and bitch with the rest of them, but about this - its silly

Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 13:26:10
Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 13:27:16
Quote by wickedpam:





isnt' there also a group called the Black Knights - think there jumpers though







I *could* pull out my life list and run down all the display teams, but I think I'll spare everyone the tedium.



[/av-dork]



Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 13:30:50
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Hey Scoop - your a gamer, right? Do you know of a game that merges a tomb raider with a FF?


Hmmm.. off the top I don't, will have to do some digging & asking around.




thanks, looking for a new game but everything looks so childish. Thinking I may try a resident evil but I'm not crazy about the horror games.



keep in mind that I have a PS2 and a Wii if that helps limit a search.



Or do you or Ran know of a good site to do a little digging of my own?



Well, sorry, Random's stuck in a Ratchet and Clank mood (just played 5 of their games straight...so...yeah) but they're fun, and stars Jim Ward.

But as far as a cross between Tomb Raider and FF...That's hard...I'd probably do better just recomending some of my favorite games. O.o



Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 13:41:29
:coffee2: Good Morning...





Comment by starling310 on 07/01/2009 13:42:13
Oi....seriously Hal...I love ya, but still with the Michael Jackson? Come on.



Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 13:43:57
Quote by Random:

This just in, The reason Bill'O was not on last night, he was found in his home, head exploded.
I heard he was curled up in the fetal Position, in a corner -- crying all night...



Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 13:44:57
Quote by starling310:

Oi....seriously Hal...I love ya, but still with the Michael Jackson? Come on.







exactly. I had my fill of MJ by Saturday.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 13:45:23
Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Hey Scoop - your a gamer, right? Do you know of a game that merges a tomb raider with a FF?


Hmmm.. off the top I don't, will have to do some digging & asking around.




thanks, looking for a new game but everything looks so childish. Thinking I may try a resident evil but I'm not crazy about the horror games.



keep in mind that I have a PS2 and a Wii if that helps limit a search.



Or do you or Ran know of a good site to do a little digging of my own?



Well, sorry, Random's stuck in a Ratchet and Clank mood (just played 5 of their games straight...so...yeah) but they're fun, and stars Jim Ward.

But as far as a cross between Tomb Raider and FF...That's hard...I'd probably do better just recomending some of my favorite games. O.o







recommend away :)

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 13:45:24
Quote by starling310:

Oi....seriously Hal...I love ya, but still with the Michael Jackson? Come on.



Has he been All MJ this morning?









Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 13:46:13
Listening to KO from last night.



While it *may* be possible to have a soul mate that you are not married to, it is always a bad idea if wifey finds out it's not her.





Comment by starling310 on 07/01/2009 13:46:43
Bobber, thank you for posting actual news.



In regards to banks raising rates...

Bank Skank of America raised my rate to 14.99% ( it was previously 5.99%. )

And First National of Omaha will be raising me next month to 17.99%!



I have a 750 credit score and ALWAYS pay well over my minimum ON TIME.



F*ckers.



Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 13:51:45
Time to put those credit cards in the paper shredder & go debit-only Let those scumbags raise their rates all they want - it does no good when they have no customers.



Quote by wickedpam:

recommend away :)


Oh man I'd totally recommend Portal (PC). It's a bit short, but tough and brainy and VERY well done.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 13:53:37
You know I really wish that the credit card bill was set to happen a lot sooner than the way it was passed -- they had to know the CC companies would do this. It's Bullshite.

Comment by starling310 on 07/01/2009 13:55:51
Quote by Scoopster:

Time to put those credit cards in the paper shredder & go debit-only Let those scumbags raise their rates all they want - it does no good when they have no customers.







Oh...I don't use my credit cards....I am paying down old balances ; I put myself on a 3 year pay off plan. It's not through a credit counselor. I just do it myself, hence to over minimum payment every month.

I haven't used my cards in over 18 months.





Comment by velveeta jones on 07/01/2009 13:56:14
Morning all.



Regarding credit cards...... I HATE them with the burning passion of a thousand suns! I intend to pay off all my cards (*sigh* one day) and then never have another. Never again! F*ckers is right Starling. They are the cause of much of this countries chaos and on a personal level, unneeded consumerism. FUCKEM ALL!



:angry:

Comment by starling310 on 07/01/2009 14:00:11
Quote by Raine:

You know I really wish that the credit card bill was set to happen a lot sooner than the way it was passed -- they had to know the CC companies would do this. It's Bullshite.




Seriously. What ever happened to "Effective Immediately?"



Comment by BobR on 07/01/2009 14:02:06
Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Hey Scoop - your a gamer, right? Do you know of a game that merges a tomb raider with a FF?


Hmmm.. off the top I don't, will have to do some digging & asking around.




thanks, looking for a new game but everything looks so childish. Thinking I may try a resident evil but I'm not crazy about the horror games.



keep in mind that I have a PS2 and a Wii if that helps limit a search.



Or do you or Ran know of a good site to do a little digging of my own?



Well, sorry, Random's stuck in a Ratchet and Clank mood (just played 5 of their games straight...so...yeah) but they're fun, and stars Jim Ward.

But as far as a cross between Tomb Raider and FF...That's hard...I'd probably do better just recomending some of my favorite games. O.o



ok non-gamer question: what's "FF"?

Comment by starling310 on 07/01/2009 14:04:25
Quote by velveeta jones:

Morning all.



Regarding credit cards...... I HATE them with the burning passion of a thousand suns! I intend to pay off all my cards (*sigh* one day) and then never have another. Never again! F*ckers is right Starling. They are the cause of much of this countries chaos and on a personal level, unneeded consumerism. FUCKEM ALL!



:angry:




Exactly.

I learned the credit card lesson a bit late in life and now am atoning.

However, it is not a consumer's fault when they open a credit card under one agreement that they feel is reasonable ( ie; 5.99% ) and it then gets jacked up without warning. There is fault on both ends, but they are certainly predatory and getting worse of late.



And, don't get me started on the FICO system. It is designed to make people fail. I work hard to keep my credit score where it is, but it's all a game with unfair rules.



The only line of credit I would ever have again would be through my Credit Union; I am currently in the process of moving all my checking and savings to them. Screw B of A.





Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 14:04:41
Quote by Scoopster:

Time to put those credit cards in the paper shredder & go debit-only Let those scumbags raise their rates all they want - it does no good when they have no customers.



Quote by wickedpam:

recommend away :)


Oh man I'd totally recommend Portal (PC). It's a bit short, but tough and brainy and VERY well done.


Random would reccoment Portal as well.

If you want a freaky game. Shadow of Destiny. Involves a lot of weird stuff, it's like first year of PS2 though, hard to find.

I also enjoyed Odin Sphere but that probably isn't up your alley.

Hm...jeez, would have to look through my large collection...but I would also (as said before) reccoment Ratchet and Clank.



I'll have more later if ya like.

Comment by BobR on 07/01/2009 14:05:43
Starling & Velveeta: If you set up a payment plan with CCCS, they will negotiate with the CC companies to reduce the rates, and you can setup a plan that works for your budget. I've been on one for a year and a half, and still have a couple years left. My interest rates are all in the 8-10% area.

Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 14:09:41
FF = Final Fantasy.. game series that's been going since waaaay back in the day.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 14:12:33
Ok Glenn-- Al Franken is Senator... I feel the same was about Sarah Palin as VP... Seriously , please STFU.

Comment by starling310 on 07/01/2009 14:16:02
Quote by BobR:

Starling & Velveeta: If you set up a payment plan with CCCS, they will negotiate with the CC companies to reduce the rates, and you can setup a plan that works for your budget. I've been on one for a year and a half, and still have a couple years left. My interest rates are all in the 8-10% area.




Negative Bobber. I'm glad it's working for you. However, getting back to the FICO scam...er...I mean score, credit counseling does count against you because it indicates that you have not paid back your accounts according to the original agreement.



Like I said, I have put myself on a 3 year plan and I will stick to it...I will have to adjust the payments a bit, but my credit cards will be gone-zo when I am 35, which is what I wanted.



Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 14:22:24
I wonder how long it will be before Al get a committee assignment.



I am really so happy that he is FINALLY senator. He is a VERY good communicator...

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 14:25:42
Ayn Rand was an atheist... interesting... Very interesting. I did not know that.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 14:28:22
Quote by Random:

Quote by Scoopster:

Time to put those credit cards in the paper shredder & go debit-only Let those scumbags raise their rates all they want - it does no good when they have no customers.



Quote by wickedpam:

recommend away :)


Oh man I'd totally recommend Portal (PC). It's a bit short, but tough and brainy and VERY well done.


Random would reccoment Portal as well.

If you want a freaky game. Shadow of Destiny. Involves a lot of weird stuff, it's like first year of PS2 though, hard to find.

I also enjoyed Odin Sphere but that probably isn't up your alley.

Hm...jeez, would have to look through my large collection...but I would also (as said before) reccoment Ratchet and Clank.



I'll have more later if ya like.






played Shadow of Destiny just something about I didn't quite like.



Oden Sphere looks interesting though

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 14:30:47
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Hey Scoop - your a gamer, right? Do you know of a game that merges a tomb raider with a FF?


Hmmm.. off the top I don't, will have to do some digging & asking around.




thanks, looking for a new game but everything looks so childish. Thinking I may try a resident evil but I'm not crazy about the horror games.



keep in mind that I have a PS2 and a Wii if that helps limit a search.



Or do you or Ran know of a good site to do a little digging of my own?



Well, sorry, Random's stuck in a Ratchet and Clank mood (just played 5 of their games straight...so...yeah) but they're fun, and stars Jim Ward.

But as far as a cross between Tomb Raider and FF...That's hard...I'd probably do better just recomending some of my favorite games. O.o



ok non-gamer question: what's "FF"?




Final Fantasy :)



compared to Scoop and Random I'm probably only a novice gamer myself :D



Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 14:31:33
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

You know I really wish that the credit card bill was set to happen a lot sooner than the way it was passed -- they had to know the CC companies would do this. It's Bullshite.




Seriously. What ever happened to "Effective Immediately?"







It was ambushed by Red Tape and stuffed in a closet

Comment by BobR on 07/01/2009 14:32:39
Comment by BobR on 07/01/2009 14:34:29
Quote by Scoopster:

FF = Final Fantasy.. game series that's been going since waaaay back in the day.


Oh sure - I know about that one... it just didn't pop into my head via the initials...

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 14:36:41
Glenn Beck is now entering the Danger Zone... Hal turner Danger Zone:







Comment by BobR on 07/01/2009 14:37:38
Quote by starling310:

Quote by BobR:

Starling & Velveeta: If you set up a payment plan with CCCS, they will negotiate with the CC companies to reduce the rates, and you can setup a plan that works for your budget. I've been on one for a year and a half, and still have a couple years left. My interest rates are all in the 8-10% area.




Negative Bobber. I'm glad it's working for you. However, getting back to the FICO scam...er...I mean score, credit counseling does count against you because it indicates that you have not paid back your accounts according to the original agreement.



Like I said, I have put myself on a 3 year plan and I will stick to it...I will have to adjust the payments a bit, but my credit cards will be gone-zo when I am 35, which is what I wanted.



technically though - you aren't paying them back according to the original agreement either if they changed the rate. And how does a repayment plan mean you haven't paid them back by the original agreement? You pay them off making regular payments every month for more than the minimum.

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 14:40:01
Quote by Scoopster:

FF = Final Fantasy.. game series that's been going since waaaay back in the day.


Or Fatal Frame, but in this context, chances are Final Fantasy

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 14:41:00
Quote by Scoopster:

FF = Final Fantasy.. game series that's been going since waaaay back in the day.






hey! are you callin' me old?!













:p



Okay I admit it I played Zelda and some version of FF on my SNES and I still own my Intellivision w/some games :)

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 14:42:35






one thing about living in parts of the south everthing is chicken-fried and served with gravy *shudder*

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 14:45:00
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Scoopster:

Time to put those credit cards in the paper shredder & go debit-only Let those scumbags raise their rates all they want - it does no good when they have no customers.



Quote by wickedpam:

recommend away :)


Oh man I'd totally recommend Portal (PC). It's a bit short, but tough and brainy and VERY well done.


Random would reccoment Portal as well.

If you want a freaky game. Shadow of Destiny. Involves a lot of weird stuff, it's like first year of PS2 though, hard to find.

I also enjoyed Odin Sphere but that probably isn't up your alley.

Hm...jeez, would have to look through my large collection...but I would also (as said before) reccoment Ratchet and Clank.



I'll have more later if ya like.






played Shadow of Destiny just something about I didn't quite like.



Oden Sphere looks interesting though


I would also recommend Fire Emblem, if you've got the Wii, you can play the Game Cube one. Which I would recommend over the Wii one. (i would recommend over them the ones for the Gameboy)

Well, I like those kind of games, I'm weird, I know.

Indigo Prophecy is one of those odd ball games I like.

Actually, games based of Spider-Man 1 and 2 are actually good.

All I can think of at the moment...probably more later.

Comment by starling310 on 07/01/2009 14:47:06
Quote by BobR:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by BobR:

Starling & Velveeta: If you set up a payment plan with CCCS, they will negotiate with the CC companies to reduce the rates, and you can setup a plan that works for your budget. I've been on one for a year and a half, and still have a couple years left. My interest rates are all in the 8-10% area.




Negative Bobber. I'm glad it's working for you. However, getting back to the FICO scam...er...I mean score, credit counseling does count against you because it indicates that you have not paid back your accounts according to the original agreement.



Like I said, I have put myself on a 3 year plan and I will stick to it...I will have to adjust the payments a bit, but my credit cards will be gone-zo when I am 35, which is what I wanted.



technically though - you aren't paying them back according to the original agreement either if they changed the rate. And how does a repayment plan mean you haven't paid them back by the original agreement? You pay them off making regular payments every month for more than the minimum.




Silly Bobber... who said it's supposed to make sense?

But, trust me, if someone calls on your behalf and negotiates a lower interest rate, it will affect your score. Sad but true.

I think if people are okay with that and feel that's the only option they should do it.

I just choose not to.



Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 14:49:06
is this Scott the Jew Hater?

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 14:50:30
No...Hal...Scott is evil Racist Anti-Semite.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 14:51:05
Rand - they look interesting - gott any ideas for games with a female lead? sometimes I find it difficult to do an rpg when the main character is a guy - no offense though :D

Comment by clintster on 07/01/2009 14:51:37
Scott... hang up, Hal, hang up!

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 14:59:40
Good morning everyone. :yawn:



I go to bed late and I miss all the conversation.

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 15:03:23
Quote by wickedpam:

Rand - they look interesting - gott any ideas for games with a female lead? sometimes I find it difficult to do an rpg when the main character is a guy - no offense though :D


Beyond Good and Evil hands down. One of the best games I've ever played, and has a female lead.

Also Metroid, but that's an obvious choice. Female Leads though...

Can't think of ones that are outstanding.

Indigo prophecy goes through about four characters one is female.

But now that I think about it...Not many RPGs have female leads. And I understand, I do.

If you've got a good P.C. I'd get Knight of the Old Republic, by Bioware. Ya make the character from scratch, so it can be Female. But it's Star Wars, so...yeah, but It's good.



If you're into it, Shin Megami Tensei series is quite good, but very...VERY weird. And Very Japanese. If anyone's here played Persona 3 knows what I mean.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:05:14
Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Rand - they look interesting - gott any ideas for games with a female lead? sometimes I find it difficult to do an rpg when the main character is a guy - no offense though :D


Beyond Good and Evil hands down. One of the best games I've ever played, and has a female lead.

Also Metroid, but that's an obvious choice. Female Leads though...

Can't think of ones that are outstanding.

Indigo prophecy goes through about four characters one is female.

But now that I think about it...Not many RPGs have female leads. And I understand, I do.

If you've got a good P.C. I'd get Knight of the Old Republic, by Bioware. Ya make the character from scratch, so it can be Female. But it's Star Wars, so...yeah, but It's good.



If you're into it, Shin Megami Tensei series is quite good, but very...VERY weird. And Very Japanese. If anyone's here played Persona 3 knows what I mean.






cool! Thanks for all the ideas - put them on my list to look for :D

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 15:06:36
addendum

Only two PS2 games I found with Females leads...so sad in a lot of ways.



Xenosaga, which is good, slow, kind hard to play, but the graphics and story are excellent.



and FF x-2 *coughhackcough*

Sorry...It's just...uh...yeah...no comment.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 15:09:49
Quote by wickedpam:







one thing about living in parts of the south everthing is chicken-fried and served with gravy *shudder*
And a fried Egg!



Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 15:09:49
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Rand - they look interesting - gott any ideas for games with a female lead? sometimes I find it difficult to do an rpg when the main character is a guy - no offense though :D


Beyond Good and Evil hands down. One of the best games I've ever played, and has a female lead.

Also Metroid, but that's an obvious choice. Female Leads though...

Can't think of ones that are outstanding.

Indigo prophecy goes through about four characters one is female.

But now that I think about it...Not many RPGs have female leads. And I understand, I do.

If you've got a good P.C. I'd get Knight of the Old Republic, by Bioware. Ya make the character from scratch, so it can be Female. But it's Star Wars, so...yeah, but It's good.



If you're into it, Shin Megami Tensei series is quite good, but very...VERY weird. And Very Japanese. If anyone's here played Persona 3 knows what I mean.






cool! Thanks for all the ideas - put them on my list to look for :D


What? no more looking through my collection?

Random's been looking for a new game to play, and he found a few doing it...This has been fun for Random.

Random can't say Random's name enough, Random.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 15:10:56
Oh Jee... I missed Scott the racist? Oh I am so sad... <_<

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:13:36
Quote by Random:

addendum

Only two PS2 games I found with Females leads...so sad in a lot of ways.



Xenosaga, which is good, slow, kind hard to play, but the graphics and story are excellent.



and FF x-2 *coughhackcough*

Sorry...It's just...uh...yeah...no comment.






love Xenosaga! it does get a little hard to play especally if you take a break from it for a while



I know x-2 is a little light - but Rikku still rocks



Its is a sad commentary that there aren't more female main characters - there are a lot of girls and women who like to play something other then childish ones or war games.

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 15:13:52
Quote by Scoopster:

Raid of fundraising event in San Diego County CA leads being investigated internally.



This is a pretty fucked up story man..





Now this is an example of American Fascism.

Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 15:13:55
Quote by Random:

addendum

Only two PS2 games I found with Females leads...so sad in a lot of ways.



Xenosaga, which is good, slow, kind hard to play, but the graphics and story are excellent.



and FF x-2 *coughhackcough*

Sorry...It's just...uh...yeah...no comment.


If you can get into the flow of playing as an entirely female cast, including all the girly stuff that the game expects you to do which is more difficult for guys, X-2 is actually pretty enjoyable.



Female leads? Samus Aran from the Metroid series. I need to get a Wii so I can play Metroid Prime..

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 15:14:22
Quote by Raine:

Oh Jee... I missed Scott the racist? Oh I am so sad... <_<


and Hal kind of taking him seriously, not like a loon. Called him down on the Jew parts...but I don't think Hal expected a nutbag to actually be calling.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:14:57
Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Rand - they look interesting - gott any ideas for games with a female lead? sometimes I find it difficult to do an rpg when the main character is a guy - no offense though :D


Beyond Good and Evil hands down. One of the best games I've ever played, and has a female lead.

Also Metroid, but that's an obvious choice. Female Leads though...

Can't think of ones that are outstanding.

Indigo prophecy goes through about four characters one is female.

But now that I think about it...Not many RPGs have female leads. And I understand, I do.

If you've got a good P.C. I'd get Knight of the Old Republic, by Bioware. Ya make the character from scratch, so it can be Female. But it's Star Wars, so...yeah, but It's good.



If you're into it, Shin Megami Tensei series is quite good, but very...VERY weird. And Very Japanese. If anyone's here played Persona 3 knows what I mean.






cool! Thanks for all the ideas - put them on my list to look for :D


What? no more looking through my collection?

Random's been looking for a new game to play, and he found a few doing it...This has been fun for Random.

Random can't say Random's name enough, Random.






hey, you can keep looking, didn't know you had such an extensive collection :D

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 15:15:00
Hal Sparks is coming to Atlanta? Coolness!

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 15:16:40
Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 15:16:52
Looking like a no-go on the Blue Angels over Boston today.



:kickcan:



Say, you crazy 'gaming' kids could always take a look at some Flight Sims. : ducks incoming brick :





Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 15:18:04
Wow.. it got DARK outside real quick here.

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 15:18:11
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

You know I really wish that the credit card bill was set to happen a lot sooner than the way it was passed -- they had to know the CC companies would do this. It's Bullshite.




Seriously. What ever happened to "Effective Immediately?"



The worst part is that bill doesn't go into effect for several months and it doesn't put caps on the rates credit cards charge. That's why the bill was far from perfect since Bernie Sanders wanted both of those added to the bill.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:19:17
Quote by TriSec:

Looking like a no-go on the Blue Angels over Boston today.



:kickcan:



Say, you crazy 'gaming' kids could always take a look at some Flight Sims. : ducks incoming brick :









ya know I've never played any flight sims - I tend to get tense when my girl is on a cliff or some place high - not sure how I'd handle flight :D

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 15:19:24
I'm in the middle of a thunderstorm here right now.

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 15:20:38
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by Random:

addendum

Only two PS2 games I found with Females leads...so sad in a lot of ways.



Xenosaga, which is good, slow, kind hard to play, but the graphics and story are excellent.



and FF x-2 *coughhackcough*

Sorry...It's just...uh...yeah...no comment.


If you can get into the flow of playing as an entirely female cast, including all the girly stuff that the game expects you to do which is more difficult for guys, X-2 is actually pretty enjoyable.



Female leads? Samus Aran from the Metroid series. I need to get a Wii so I can play Metroid Prime..


lol, said that, but every should know Samus. but then again, she's more badass macho then most guy leads. (look at that gun.)



Dude...there was gamplay in X-2? all I saw were three scantily clad Women running around. One of which is under 18. If i recall correctly she was in X, not sure if she aged enough to be "legal" in X-2

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:22:19
Ya know what they should do is let us take the interst off our taxes again. How badly would that hurt the country? I would hope not that bad, but maybe then the gov't would get pissed and force the companies to lower the interest rates so people didn't get as big a tax break -



does that make sense?

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 15:23:14
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Rand - they look interesting - gott any ideas for games with a female lead? sometimes I find it difficult to do an rpg when the main character is a guy - no offense though :D


Beyond Good and Evil hands down. One of the best games I've ever played, and has a female lead.

Also Metroid, but that's an obvious choice. Female Leads though...

Can't think of ones that are outstanding.

Indigo prophecy goes through about four characters one is female.

But now that I think about it...Not many RPGs have female leads. And I understand, I do.

If you've got a good P.C. I'd get Knight of the Old Republic, by Bioware. Ya make the character from scratch, so it can be Female. But it's Star Wars, so...yeah, but It's good.



If you're into it, Shin Megami Tensei series is quite good, but very...VERY weird. And Very Japanese. If anyone's here played Persona 3 knows what I mean.






cool! Thanks for all the ideas - put them on my list to look for :D


What? no more looking through my collection?

Random's been looking for a new game to play, and he found a few doing it...This has been fun for Random.

Random can't say Random's name enough, Random.






hey, you can keep looking, didn't know you had such an extensive collection :D


lol, I do, my PS2 collection is the largest though.

but I've got every system since SNES (except Sega ones) including Handhelds. All of them still working. If you don't count the video thing startin to go in the SNES.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:24:17
Quote by Random:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by Random:

addendum

Only two PS2 games I found with Females leads...so sad in a lot of ways.



Xenosaga, which is good, slow, kind hard to play, but the graphics and story are excellent.



and FF x-2 *coughhackcough*

Sorry...It's just...uh...yeah...no comment.


If you can get into the flow of playing as an entirely female cast, including all the girly stuff that the game expects you to do which is more difficult for guys, X-2 is actually pretty enjoyable.



Female leads? Samus Aran from the Metroid series. I need to get a Wii so I can play Metroid Prime..


lol, said that, but every should know Samus. but then again, she's more badass macho then most guy leads. (look at that gun.)



Dude...there was gamplay in X-2? all I saw were three scantily clad Women running around. One of which is under 18. If i recall correctly she was in X, not sure if she aged enough to be "legal" in X-2






Rikku or Yuna? Lulu was probably in her late 20's

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 15:25:30
Quote by Raine:

Oh Jee... I missed Scott the racist? Oh I am so sad... <_<


I'm not. Anyone who thinks Hitler was right should just go to the same hell that he's burning in.

Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 15:26:28
Quote by wickedpam:

Ya know what they should do is let us take the interst off our taxes again. How badly would that hurt the country? I would hope not that bad, but maybe then the gov't would get pissed and force the companies to lower the interest rates so people didn't get as big a tax break -



does that make sense?


Heh.. I've been writing off my college loan & trust account interest for at least the past 10 years.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:28:39
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Ya know what they should do is let us take the interst off our taxes again. How badly would that hurt the country? I would hope not that bad, but maybe then the gov't would get pissed and force the companies to lower the interest rates so people didn't get as big a tax break -



does that make sense?


Heh.. I've been writing off my college loan & trust account interest for at least the past 10 years.






back when I was a kid I remember it was big news that people could no longer take the credit card interest off there taxes - so at one time we could do this

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 15:29:17
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by Random:

addendum

Only two PS2 games I found with Females leads...so sad in a lot of ways.



Xenosaga, which is good, slow, kind hard to play, but the graphics and story are excellent.



and FF x-2 *coughhackcough*

Sorry...It's just...uh...yeah...no comment.


If you can get into the flow of playing as an entirely female cast, including all the girly stuff that the game expects you to do which is more difficult for guys, X-2 is actually pretty enjoyable.



Female leads? Samus Aran from the Metroid series. I need to get a Wii so I can play Metroid Prime..


lol, said that, but every should know Samus. but then again, she's more badass macho then most guy leads. (look at that gun.)



Dude...there was gamplay in X-2? all I saw were three scantily clad Women running around. One of which is under 18. If i recall correctly she was in X, not sure if she aged enough to be "legal" in X-2






Rikku or Yuna? Lulu was probably in her late 20's


Rikku, 16 in the first game. and Lulu isn't in X-2 except for a little bit (pregnant *shock and awe*)

Pretty sure X-2 is only a year later.

Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 15:30:14
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Ya know what they should do is let us take the interst off our taxes again. How badly would that hurt the country? I would hope not that bad, but maybe then the gov't would get pissed and force the companies to lower the interest rates so people didn't get as big a tax break -



does that make sense?


Heh.. I've been writing off my college loan & trust account interest for at least the past 10 years.


back when I was a kid I remember it was big news that people could no longer take the credit card interest off there taxes - so at one time we could do this


OOooooh.. that is something I did not know. Interesting stuff!

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:31:00
Random - Lulu should have been in x-2 more - Paine was just annoying after awhile

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:31:54
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Ya know what they should do is let us take the interst off our taxes again. How badly would that hurt the country? I would hope not that bad, but maybe then the gov't would get pissed and force the companies to lower the interest rates so people didn't get as big a tax break -



does that make sense?


Heh.. I've been writing off my college loan & trust account interest for at least the past 10 years.


back when I was a kid I remember it was big news that people could no longer take the credit card interest off there taxes - so at one time we could do this


OOooooh.. that is something I did not know. Interesting stuff!






someone else has to remember this - Bobber? Raine? Tri? Liv? any of you remember that?

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 15:37:29
Quote by wickedpam:

Random - Lulu should have been in x-2 more - Paine was just annoying after awhile


Paine was obviously meant to be Lulu. But they wanted Lulu and Waka to be together. and her pregnant...So...Whatever.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 15:38:23
Sanford-- Damn he has turned into a huge freak show, eh?

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 15:40:11
Anyone who supported Bush's attempts to impose a police state cannot claim to be a Libetarian and this goes for you Neal Boortz and Glenn Beck.

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 15:43:48
Random just found one of his games, Atelier Iris...no clue what the fuck it is...

Gonna play it.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:45:51
Quote by Random:

Random just found one of his games, Atelier Iris...no clue what the fuck it is...

Gonna play it.






how do you buy a game and not know what it is :lol:

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 15:45:55
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Ya know what they should do is let us take the interst off our taxes again. How badly would that hurt the country? I would hope not that bad, but maybe then the gov't would get pissed and force the companies to lower the interest rates so people didn't get as big a tax break -



does that make sense?


Heh.. I've been writing off my college loan & trust account interest for at least the past 10 years.


back when I was a kid I remember it was big news that people could no longer take the credit card interest off there taxes - so at one time we could do this


OOooooh.. that is something I did not know. Interesting stuff!






someone else has to remember this - Bobber? Raine? Tri? Liv? any of you remember that?
That was another Gift from St. Ronnie. He took that away.







Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 15:47:53
Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 15:48:01
Well, I won't stop until I get enough. I loaded all of my Prince, MJ, and Rick James onto my 'pod last night. Going to get funky around here this afternoon.





Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:49:59
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Ya know what they should do is let us take the interst off our taxes again. How badly would that hurt the country? I would hope not that bad, but maybe then the gov't would get pissed and force the companies to lower the interest rates so people didn't get as big a tax break -



does that make sense?


Heh.. I've been writing off my college loan & trust account interest for at least the past 10 years.


back when I was a kid I remember it was big news that people could no longer take the credit card interest off there taxes - so at one time we could do this


OOooooh.. that is something I did not know. Interesting stuff!






someone else has to remember this - Bobber? Raine? Tri? Liv? any of you remember that?
That was another Gift from St. Ronnie. He took that away.











that's who I thought did it - wasn't logical that Carter would have

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 15:51:14
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Random just found one of his games, Atelier Iris...no clue what the fuck it is...

Gonna play it.






how do you buy a game and not know what it is :lol:


Well, bought it a year or so ago, and forgot about it.

I've actually got several games I'm gonna try and play now.

Wild Arms 3 and 4, Suikoden 3, Summoner, Star Ocean 3, R.A.D., Growlanser 1 and 2, FF XII, Lost Odyssey, and Eternal Sonata.

Yes...I am weird. (barely remember most of these games,



Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 15:58:13
Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Random just found one of his games, Atelier Iris...no clue what the fuck it is...

Gonna play it.






how do you buy a game and not know what it is :lol:


Well, bought it a year or so ago, and forgot about it.

I've actually got several games I'm gonna try and play now.

Wild Arms 3 and 4, Suikoden 3, Summoner, Star Ocean 3, R.A.D., Growlanser 1 and 2, FF XII, Lost Odyssey, and Eternal Sonata.

Yes...I am weird. (barely remember most of these games,







LOL - have fun! :lol:

Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 16:02:29
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Random:

Random just found one of his games, Atelier Iris...no clue what the fuck it is...

Gonna play it.






how do you buy a game and not know what it is :lol:


Well, bought it a year or so ago, and forgot about it.

I've actually got several games I'm gonna try and play now.

Wild Arms 3 and 4, Suikoden 3, Summoner, Star Ocean 3, R.A.D., Growlanser 1 and 2, FF XII, Lost Odyssey, and Eternal Sonata.

Yes...I am weird. (barely remember most of these games,







LOL - have fun! :lol:


I plan too.



Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 16:06:08






:spit:

Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 16:14:46
Ya know, if the sun ever comes out over New England, I'm picturing the well scene from "Interview with a Vampire" when we all scream and turn into ash.





Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 16:21:37
Holy crap..just looked it up. Atelier Iris is the 6th game in the series...Jesus.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 16:31:28
Quote by Random:

Holy crap..just looked it up. Atelier Iris is the 6th game in the series...Jesus.




I bet like most "series" games it can stand independant - well except for .hack



Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 16:32:58
I feel so out of the loop in all the gamer talk.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 16:40:04
Now this is a righteous Rant!
Sixty effing votes.



You've got the threshold to pass anything you want now. Anything. You want a bill declaring you have the biggest balls of them all? You got it. You want a bill taking every dollar everybody ever made and putting it in a big pile and lighting it on fire to warm the faces of the indigent and helpless? You got that, too. All you have to do is get your 60 Democrats in line and you've got it all.



What, that's too hard? You want MORE, you greedy f*cker? You need 65 votes? You need 100? You need more than both houses of congress and the White House? You need more than that? TOUGH. Nobody said we could get to 60 and we got there for you, so there you are, on a silver platter, is everything you need. If you can't work with that, well then, my God, Harry, I don't know what to tell you. Possibly you need some therapy. I can recommend an excellent woman who will sit you down and tell you, like the sugar-high five-year-old you are, that the world is not fair and we do not get everything we want so on balance let's work with what we've got. What's that? You don't want to appear partisan? You want to grant deference to Republicans? You want to make sure the American people don't perceive you as MEAN?



Let me clue you in to something, Harry. The American people like it when you're mean. They get off on it. They think it's funny when the weaker political kid gets kicked. It makes them feel all tingly in the gonads. If this wasn't true, Bill O'Reilly wouldn't have a job, so stop thinking the American people want warm and fuzzy decency. We don't. We want Mr. Smith and Mrs. Smith to go to Washington, punch that bully congressman in his face and fuck the prom queen on the National Mall. We want the team that wins at kickball and then gloats all the way to the end of recess, and if you think it's any more complicated than that, my God, you're just not having enough fun in show business.


Much more at the link...

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 16:41:10
Quote by TriSec:

Well, I won't stop until I get enough. I loaded all of my Prince, MJ, and Rick James onto my 'pod last night. Going to get funky around here this afternoon.



And Where is James Brown? :D



Comment by Random on 07/01/2009 16:44:07
Quote by Raine:

Quote by TriSec:

Well, I won't stop until I get enough. I loaded all of my Prince, MJ, and Rick James onto my 'pod last night. Going to get funky around here this afternoon.



And Where is James Brown? :D



you mean they're still touring his body around the country? jesus, put him in the ground already...It's gotta start lookin' nasty at some point here.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 16:50:21
Quote by livingonli:

I feel so out of the loop in all the gamer talk.






:hug:

Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 16:56:09
Quote by Raine:

Now this is a righteous Rant!
Sixty effing votes.



You've got the threshold to pass anything you want now. Anything. You want a bill declaring you have the biggest balls of them all? You got it. You want a bill taking every dollar everybody ever made and putting it in a big pile and lighting it on fire to warm the faces of the indigent and helpless? You got that, too. All you have to do is get your 60 Democrats in line and you've got it all.



What, that's too hard? You want MORE, you greedy f*cker? You need 65 votes? You need 100? You need more than both houses of congress and the White House? You need more than that? TOUGH. Nobody said we could get to 60 and we got there for you, so there you are, on a silver platter, is everything you need. If you can't work with that, well then, my God, Harry, I don't know what to tell you. Possibly you need some therapy. I can recommend an excellent woman who will sit you down and tell you, like the sugar-high five-year-old you are, that the world is not fair and we do not get everything we want so on balance let's work with what we've got. What's that? You don't want to appear partisan? You want to grant deference to Republicans? You want to make sure the American people don't perceive you as MEAN?



Let me clue you in to something, Harry. The American people like it when you're mean. They get off on it. They think it's funny when the weaker political kid gets kicked. It makes them feel all tingly in the gonads. If this wasn't true, Bill O'Reilly wouldn't have a job, so stop thinking the American people want warm and fuzzy decency. We don't. We want Mr. Smith and Mrs. Smith to go to Washington, punch that bully congressman in his face and fuck the prom queen on the National Mall. We want the team that wins at kickball and then gloats all the way to the end of recess, and if you think it's any more complicated than that, my God, you're just not having enough fun in show business.


Much more at the link...






:rofl:

Comment by starling310 on 07/01/2009 16:59:44
I tend to read "fluff" while I eat my lunch. These 2 articles, while I went to them for fluff, actually ended up being interesting as well as in line with a philosophy in which I am starting to believe.



If you've got a few minutes to kill:

For Many, Marriage Is Sexless, Boring and Oppressive: Time to Rethink the Institution?

and

Let's Call the Whole Thing off!



I guess it's why I never felt compelled to passionately get behind the Gay Marriage debate. I do see it as a Civil Rights issue, but for me personally, the idea of marriage no longer seems appealing.

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 17:02:40
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by TriSec:

Well, I won't stop until I get enough. I loaded all of my Prince, MJ, and Rick James onto my 'pod last night. Going to get funky around here this afternoon.



And Where is James Brown? :D



you mean they're still touring his body around the country? jesus, put him in the ground already...It's gotta start lookin' nasty at some point here.


Not to mention the smell.

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 17:16:50
Anyone listening to Thom Hartmann right now? This guy is a nutjob. Christ was a pacifist.

Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 17:37:37
Comment by wickedpam on 07/01/2009 17:40:45
Quote by livingonli:

Anyone listening to Thom Hartmann right now? This guy is a nutjob. Christ was a pacifist.






mostly - but he did do the table thing in the temple. But no he didn't seek out someone with a AK47 and blow them away

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 17:53:28
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by livingonli:

Anyone listening to Thom Hartmann right now? This guy is a nutjob. Christ was a pacifist.






mostly - but he did do the table thing in the temple. But no he didn't seek out someone with a AK47 and blow them away


There is that whole turn the other cheek thing. But, it does seem to contradict Christ's teaching to be packing heat to church.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 18:04:11
Quote by starling310:

I tend to read "fluff" while I eat my lunch. These 2 articles, while I went to them for fluff, actually ended up being interesting as well as in line with a philosophy in which I am starting to believe.



If you've got a few minutes to kill:

For Many, Marriage Is Sexless, Boring and Oppressive: Time to Rethink the Institution?

and

Let's Call the Whole Thing off!



I guess it's why I never felt compelled to passionately get behind the Gay Marriage debate. I do see it as a Civil Rights issue, but for me personally, the idea of marriage no longer seems appealing.
Believe it or not, I agree.



I love Bobber, but it is not our marriage that makes this work. Having fallen in love many times, I believe that marriage is not the be all and end all to love. He makes it work. I make it work -- and We make it work. (this work, btw is not a chore --therefore it is not work... it is a passion. I will comment on this a little later)



That said, people, should they choose, should be able to marry and have the same rights as Hetero couples. I have long held the assertion that we should all have the same rights available to everyone. Right now, the Gay marriage debate is what it is. A few years ago it was civil unions, it has since morphed into marriage. IT isn't the title, it is the end result that matters to me.



I have waffled between civil unions and marriage. As a straight chick, it is not for me to define the movement. Personally I don't care WHAT the title is. I would prefer that government get out of the business of religious marriage. In the end, relationships wax & wane. Good relationships may take work, but the *work* isn't supposed to be a chore. I fully believe that nothing you are passionate about is a chore.



As a married woman -- for the second time in my life -- I am still mixed about it. I know how fragile marriage can be, but -- so is every relationship, intimate or not. There are people who think it is strange that I don't have a ring. I don't need a ring. Being married is so public but in the end, it is the relationship -- the thing that no one sees, that really matters.



Marriage is the cherry on top of a sundae--- It makes it really awesome, but if the lack of a cherry makes the sundae suck to you, then you have a lot more than you think to be worried about.



(pretty heavy fluff there )

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 18:08:54
In other words -- I like the Cherry but I don't need the cherry.



What everyone needs is the same access to a really great ice cream sundae.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 18:11:51
:wacko: caller on Thom. Thom is so respectful.

Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 18:28:57
I'm back! Power's been out for the past three hours.



Not as bad as I first thought tho.. a tree branch fell on a power line just down the street.. I thought it was a blown transformer because there was this loud pop like a gunshot, followed by like a minute of bright blue flashes of loose electricity!

Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 18:29:42
Quote by Raine:

In other words -- I like the Cherry but I don't need the cherry.



What everyone needs is the same access to a really great ice cream sundae.


Hey who doesn't like the cherry.. it's just hard to find one at our age :lol:



owai..

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 18:34:09
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by Raine:

In other words -- I like the Cherry but I don't need the cherry.



What everyone needs is the same access to a really great ice cream sundae.


Hey who doesn't like the cherry.. it's just hard to find one at our age :lol:



owai..


:spit: If I found a cherry at my age I would be going to jail. (or haled as a cougar! )



Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 18:45:22
:star: I am re-reading this article, in the Atlantic. I found it engrossing, but I have to say...



To what end do you think being a parent played? Particularly this statement:
Given my staggering working mother’s to-do list, I cannot take on yet another arduous home- and self-improvement project, that of rekindling our romance. Sobered by this failure as a mother—which is to say, my failure as a wife—I’ve since begun a journey of reading, thinking, and listening to what’s going on in other 21st-century American families. And along the way, I’ve begun to wonder, what with all the abject and swallowed misery: Why do we still insist on marriage? Sure, it made sense to agrarian families before 1900, when to farm the land, one needed two spouses, grandparents, and a raft of children. But now that we have white-collar work and washing machines, and our life expectancy has shot from 47 to 77, isn’t the idea of lifelong marriage obsolete?




Is she conflating Marriage and Parenthood?



And I would further ask -- do people get those 2 things confused? Has she given up on marriage for the betterment of her children?



Just curious. It was a great article, really great.







Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 18:50:36
I think it's the Star Trek universe that has the concept of "contract marriage". You and your partner can set a term..a year, 5, 10, whatever, and go for it. When the contract is up, you can decide to renew, or not, and move on with your lives.





Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 19:04:32
GAH!



Near miss....lightning maybe 100 yards away! : dives under desk :





Comment by Scoopster on 07/01/2009 19:13:51
Yoinks Tri.. there's another BIIIIIG line of storms heading right for us.



...actually it's kinda sliding off a bit towards the Cape, now that I look at the motion map.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 19:27:59
Karl Malden has left us...



97 years old... That is an amazing lifespan.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/01/2009 19:36:09
Quote by Raine:

Quote by TriSec:

Well, I won't stop until I get enough. I loaded all of my Prince, MJ, and Rick James onto my 'pod last night. Going to get funky around here this afternoon.



And Where is James Brown? :D





JB, Parliament, Funkadelic, you know the real stuff.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/01/2009 19:37:16
Quote by Raine:

Karl Malden has left us...



97 years old... That is an amazing lifespan.




Yoiks! Damn. This is a bad time to be a celeb.

Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 19:39:23
Well gawd damn.



I'M NOT FAMOUS!



I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING NOTEWORTHY!



: resigns from blog, quits school committee race, hides under bed :





Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 19:41:20
:rolleyes: Glenn beck and Michelle Bachman -- scary crazy SHITE!

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 19:42:03
Randi is talking about the crazy world of Michelle Bachman. I would love to see her house seat taken away because people follow her stupidity.

Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 19:42:36
Why can't friggin' Cheney die???





Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 19:44:14
How does a 5-4 decision equal a 9-0 vote anyway?

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 19:45:09
Quote by TriSec:

Why can't friggin' Cheney die???





Is it something to do with evil managing to live on?

Comment by BobR on 07/01/2009 19:46:55
I had a lunch interview today. A guy I used to work with set it up with the Tech Mgr for the company they work for. Interestingly, it's the same type of work I've done at 3 of my previous employers.



The short and sweet of it is that they'd probably have hired me today if they had a position available, but they don't. It seems like a great company and a great job, and I would love to work there.



So - they just need a little more business, and I'll probably get the call. Might be a week; might be a month. I hope it's soon.



Comment by BobR on 07/01/2009 19:47:36
Quote by TriSec:

Why can't friggin' Cheney die???





Because the Lord of the Underworld isn't done with him yet.

Comment by BobR on 07/01/2009 19:49:37
Quote by Raine:

Karl Malden has left us...



97 years old... That is an amazing lifespan.


The streets of San Francisco just got a little meaner...

Comment by BobR on 07/01/2009 19:50:14
Quote by livingonli:

Randi is talking about the crazy world of Michelle Bachman. I would love to see her house seat taken away because people follow her stupidity.


Didn't she just get re-elected?

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 19:50:30
Quote by livingonli:

Randi is talking about the crazy world of Michelle Bachman. I would love to see her house seat taken away because people follow her stupidity.
One thing you have to remember-- she, like the Boehner -- have VERY conservative districts.



She does not really represent the state...

Just the district...

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 19:51:05
Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

Randi is talking about the crazy world of Michelle Bachman. I would love to see her house seat taken away because people follow her stupidity.


Didn't she just get re-elected?


We get her for another 1.5 years! Woohoo!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/01/2009 19:51:06
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

Ya know what they should do is let us take the interst off our taxes again. How badly would that hurt the country? I would hope not that bad, but maybe then the gov't would get pissed and force the companies to lower the interest rates so people didn't get as big a tax break -



does that make sense?


Heh.. I've been writing off my college loan & trust account interest for at least the past 10 years.


back when I was a kid I remember it was big news that people could no longer take the credit card interest off there taxes - so at one time we could do this


OOooooh.. that is something I did not know. Interesting stuff!






someone else has to remember this - Bobber? Raine? Tri? Liv? any of you remember that?
That was another Gift from St. Ronnie. He took that away.











that's who I thought did it - wasn't logical that Carter would have






Back when they had to fix the Social Security back in the mid 80s part of the bi-partisan compromise was to take the credit card interest deduction away. So it just wasn't on St Ronnie the Reagan.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 19:54:03
:rofl: Lynn on Randi -- Randi has been VERY fair about her coverage on MJ.

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 19:57:09
Quote by Raine:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

Randi is talking about the crazy world of Michelle Bachman. I would love to see her house seat taken away because people follow her stupidity.


Didn't she just get re-elected?


We get her for another 1.5 years! Woohoo!


We do have to wait until after the 2010 elections for the district lines to be re-drawn.

Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 20:12:14
Say, it's Louis Bleriot's birthday today....





Comment by TriSec on 07/01/2009 20:21:31
Alright folks, I'm heading out in a few. I've got a shift at the store this evening, so see everyone in the am.



TTFN <-- Tigger





Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 20:21:59
Ok -- Rush has finally gone over the top -- even for him.



“I have an observation about this Jackson thing,” Limbaugh began on his radio show Wednesday. “Jackson’s success paralleled the rebound of the United States under [Reagan]. Jackson’s biggest successes took place the in 80s … He flourished under Reagan, he languished under Clinton [and] Bush, and he died under Obama.”



Then he added, cryptically: “Let’s hope this parallel does not continue.”



Arguing, presumably, with his producer off-screen, Limbaugh asked: “What about what I said is not true?”



And then, as if turning Jackson’s death into a partisan issue wasn’t enough, Limbaugh went after the race angle.



“Michael Jackson died during the era of the first black president,” he said. “How about if I say it that way”


Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 20:23:35
Audio at the link.., btw.







Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 20:24:45
Night, Tri. Have fun storming the castle.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/01/2009 20:31:55
Quote by Raine:

Ok -- Rush has finally gone over the top -- even for him.



“I have an observation about this Jackson thing,” Limbaugh began on his radio show Wednesday. “Jackson’s success paralleled the rebound of the United States under [Reagan]. Jackson’s biggest successes took place the in 80s … He flourished under Reagan, he languished under Clinton [and] Bush, and he died under Obama.”



Then he added, cryptically: “Let’s hope this parallel does not continue.”



Arguing, presumably, with his producer off-screen, Limbaugh asked: “What about what I said is not true?”



And then, as if turning Jackson’s death into a partisan issue wasn’t enough, Limbaugh went after the race angle.



“Michael Jackson died during the era of the first black president,” he said. “How about if I say it that way”






WTFBBQ? Huh? :froths at mouth, seizure:

Comment by clintster on 07/01/2009 20:43:00
Quote by Raine:

Ok -- Rush has finally gone over the top -- even for him.



“I have an observation about this Jackson thing,” Limbaugh began on his radio show Wednesday. “Jackson’s success paralleled the rebound of the United States under [Reagan]. Jackson’s biggest successes took place the in 80s … He flourished under Reagan, he languished under Clinton [and] Bush, and he died under Obama.”



Then he added, cryptically: “Let’s hope this parallel does not continue.”



Arguing, presumably, with his producer off-screen, Limbaugh asked: “What about what I said is not true?”



And then, as if turning Jackson’s death into a partisan issue wasn’t enough, Limbaugh went after the race angle.



“Michael Jackson died during the era of the first black president,” he said. “How about if I say it that way”




We-he-hell, if we follow this line of "reasoning"...



Rush was in constant unemployment under Reagan, flourished under Clinton and became a pill-popping gasbag under Bush the Lesser. What will he become under Obama? Hmmmmm...

Comment by clintster on 07/01/2009 20:44:44
http://photos.imageevent.com/bluesx/farkimages/rush-pudding.jpg


Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 21:09:47




Oh. dear.



I forgot about this... until I was reminded of it.



(Franken does do an amazing Kissinger, Tony Danza? That is just strange -- QE a heroin dealer? REALLY?)







Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 22:39:16
Laura Flanders on The Ed Show right now.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 22:39:38
Quote by clintster:

Quote by Raine:

Ok -- Rush has finally gone over the top -- even for him.



“I have an observation about this Jackson thing,” Limbaugh began on his radio show Wednesday. “Jackson’s success paralleled the rebound of the United States under [Reagan]. Jackson’s biggest successes took place the in 80s … He flourished under Reagan, he languished under Clinton [and] Bush, and he died under Obama.”



Then he added, cryptically: “Let’s hope this parallel does not continue.”



Arguing, presumably, with his producer off-screen, Limbaugh asked: “What about what I said is not true?”



And then, as if turning Jackson’s death into a partisan issue wasn’t enough, Limbaugh went after the race angle.



“Michael Jackson died during the era of the first black president,” he said. “How about if I say it that way”




We-he-hell, if we follow this line of "reasoning"...



Rush was in constant unemployment under Reagan, flourished under Clinton and became a pill-popping gasbag under Bush the Lesser. What will he become under Obama? Hmmmmm...
Obsolete?







Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 22:40:36
Quote by livingonli:

Laura Flanders on The Ed Show right now.


for that I will turn it on.

Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 22:52:36
Quote by Raine:

Quote by livingonli:

Laura Flanders on The Ed Show right now.


for that I will turn it on.




And now I am done.







Comment by Raine on 07/01/2009 22:54:51
OK -- THIS is why I don't lie Ed.

Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 23:06:24
Maybe MSNBC will eventually put another progressive on at 10 PM.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/01/2009 23:33:15
Pat Boone joins the insane "Birfers" and asks Obama to show his birth certificate (even though he's already produced it).



No, I won't link to the original story in NewsMax, the fark comments are more entertaining.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/01/2009 23:35:57
Quote by Raine:

OK -- THIS is why I don't lie Ed.




?????



Comment by livingonli on 07/01/2009 23:38:05
Quote by trojanrabbit:

Pat Boone joins the insane "Birfers" and asks Obama to show his birth certificate (even though he's already produced it).



No, I won't link to the original story in NewsMax, the fark comments are more entertaining.


It's not worth giving traffic to NewsMax. It's just for people with IQ's below 80.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/01/2009 23:48:56
Quote by Raine:





Oh. dear.



I forgot about this... until I was reminded of it.



(Franken does do an amazing Kissinger, Tony Danza? That is just strange -- QE a heroin dealer? REALLY?)









It is LaRouche theater.

Comment by Raine on 07/02/2009 00:32:58
Quote by Raine:

OK -- THIS is why I don't lie Ed.
I meant to say Like. Sorry...



I will find a clip-- of the guest at this timestamp.



Sorry.



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/02/2009 00:40:47
Comment by livingonli on 07/02/2009 01:16:20




So now she's switched form Hockey Mom to Runner Mom. I think a friend of ours will not be down with this.



Comment by clintster on 07/02/2009 01:44:52
Quote by livingonli:





So now she's switched form Hockey Mom to Runner Mom. I think a friend of ours will not be down with this.





Quote:

Sweat is my sanity.


That explains the lack of sweat. Also.



Comment by Raine on 07/02/2009 01:58:43
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/HallE/2009/HallE20090701_low.jpg


Comment by Raine on 07/02/2009 02:00:49
Quote by clintster:

Quote by livingonli:





So now she's switched form Hockey Mom to Runner Mom. I think a friend of ours will not be down with this.





Quote:

Sweat is my sanity.


That explains the lack of sweat. Also.

you betcha. and also.



:rolleyes2:



Comment by Raine on 07/02/2009 02:02:35
She has one of those effing hummer strollers too and also?





Obama could slam dunk her ass..







Comment by Raine on 07/02/2009 02:06:11




Noticed.



She is a Hypocrite. a lying hypocrite.



Thin skinned lying witch.







Comment by livingonli on 07/02/2009 02:26:44
Janeane Garofolo is on HBO Comedy right now with one of her stand-up shows. I don't know how old it is though.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/02/2009 02:52:02
Quote by Raine:





Noticed.



She is a Hypocrite. a lying hypocrite.



Thin skinned lying witch.









I was thinking about a word that sounds like a type flat bottomed boat myself.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/02/2009 02:53:08
Quote by livingonli:

Janeane Garofolo is on HBO Comedy right now with one of her stand-up shows. I don't know how old it is though.




That is from about 1990.

Comment by livingonli on 07/02/2009 03:26:20
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by livingonli:

Janeane Garofolo is on HBO Comedy right now with one of her stand-up shows. I don't know how old it is though.




That is from about 1990.


She mentioned Jurassic Park II and a couple of movies that came out later than that so it was clearly from the 90's. I didn't check the copyright date.

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