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McCain wants Obama to Visit Columbia. Ok, Let's talk about Columbia (and John McCain)
Author: Raine
Date: 07/28/2008 07:34:36
In the Beginning of July , John McCain traveled to Columbia (the country). His purpose, according to reports, was to talk about illegal drugs and the promotion of CAFTA. While he was there, he met with cabinet members and business leaders... Most importantly, he met with President Uribe, (who came to power in 2002) allegedly to talk about the country's Human Rights record. Source
I mention this because yesterday, capt, a member of our blog, brought to light an interesting snippet from HuffPo. It was a CNN segment where a McCain representative suggested that Obama should visit other places that McCain has been, in particular, Columbia, South America. I quote "In fact, [Obama's] never met with President Uribe in Colombia, as John McCain has." This caught my eye. Many people focused a lot on Columbia that week early in July because John McCain's visit coincided with the release of 5 hostages (3 of which were Americans) after five years of FARC captivity. I will preface the rest of this with an opinion: FARC is not a nice group. This is not about FARC. FARC has been been trying to overthrow Columbia for quite some time. However... President Uribe is not someone we should be associating with, in my opinion. I hope you follow me here, because this gets interesting. Let's focus on the President of Columbia, the man that John McCain traveled to see, the man he wants to do business with, the man he NOW thinks Barack Obama should go visit. From Justice For Columbia, A human rights group based in London: There is far more at the link, and I know Pablo is dead... however it's the paramiliatary aspect, more so than the drugs, that are disturbing me.
While Uribe and Washington would have the world believe that they are getting these paramilitary groups under control through *demobilization*, Columbia is actually in the process of "normalizing" these paramilitaristic death squads. Under Uribe leadership, thousands of citizens, activists and Union leaders have been murdered. They near the top of the worst of the worst when it comes to human rights....AmnestyUSA is concerned as well: All the talk of disbanding these paramiltiaries is NOT happening. From a 2005 Press Release, Amnesty International:
You can google and find stories like this, As recently as March of this year, people have been killed, and this:
People are not being held accountable for the atrocities that are occuring NOW in Columbia.And John McCain WANTS to have CAFTA with these people. He wants normal relations with this country. A country that still traffics drugs, and kills it own citizens out of pure suspicion.
So, now we have McCain trying to push Obama to visit Columbia. For politics. It is telling (at the very least) that while he accuses Barack Obama of making the Iraq war political, McCain himself would make a country strife in Civil war with a murderous government a pawn in his political campaign. It should be obvious that Senator Obama sould not go to Columbia, and Senator John McCain should not have either... But we know WHY he did... it wasn't because he cares about Human Rights... if he REALLY cared about Human Rights, HE would NEVER have hired Charlie Black:NOTE... He represented COMPANIES... the same companies that are having union leaders murdered by paramilitaries. John McCain did not go to Columbia for human rights, he didn't go out of a concern for drugs, or FARC.
Like I said earlier, FARC is no angel, but this isn't about them, this is about the kind of foriegn policy we will get with John McCain and this is about a country that lives in fear of the government, and the leader of that government. John McCain, a man who was tortured, should know better. Well, if he were anything but a neo-con, he would... but he is what he is, he is a man that is no better than Uribe, *ush, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Rove... the list goes on.
Here are a few extra Monday *cookies*, if you are still reading this:
In Case you were wondering... Who trained those paramilitaries? The United States of America did. We have been for a long time.
And -- those Hostages that were released while Senator McCain was visiting? Here is something else the media didn't follow up on. This was posted on our message board, April 28:Yes, that Bill Richardson.
I know it is a lot for a Monday morning. Really, I just thought you should know.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
I mention this because yesterday, capt, a member of our blog, brought to light an interesting snippet from HuffPo. It was a CNN segment where a McCain representative suggested that Obama should visit other places that McCain has been, in particular, Columbia, South America. I quote "In fact, [Obama's] never met with President Uribe in Colombia, as John McCain has." This caught my eye. Many people focused a lot on Columbia that week early in July because John McCain's visit coincided with the release of 5 hostages (3 of which were Americans) after five years of FARC captivity. I will preface the rest of this with an opinion: FARC is not a nice group. This is not about FARC. FARC has been been trying to overthrow Columbia for quite some time. However... President Uribe is not someone we should be associating with, in my opinion. I hope you follow me here, because this gets interesting. Let's focus on the President of Columbia, the man that John McCain traveled to see, the man he wants to do business with, the man he NOW thinks Barack Obama should go visit. From Justice For Columbia, A human rights group based in London:
Uribe has worked for the Medellin Cartel and is a close personal friend of Pablo Escobar. He has participated in Escobar's political campaign…."
Perhaps unsurprisingly due to the links between the drugs traffickers and the paramilitaries Uribe also grew closer to those involved in the AUC paramilitary alliance. During his period as Governor of Antioquia, Uribe openly supported and financed local vigilante groups known as CONVIVIR. According to Human Rights Watch many CONVIVIR groups "were directed by known paramilitaries" whilst others "threatened to assassinate Colombians that were considered as guerrilla sympathizers of which rejected joining the [CONVIVIR]".
While Uribe and Washington would have the world believe that they are getting these paramilitary groups under control through *demobilization*, Columbia is actually in the process of "normalizing" these paramilitaristic death squads. Under Uribe leadership, thousands of citizens, activists and Union leaders have been murdered. They near the top of the worst of the worst when it comes to human rights....AmnestyUSA is concerned as well:
Since 2003, paramilitary groups, responsible for the vast majority of human rights violations in Colombia for over a decade, have been involved in a government-sponsored "demobilization" process. More than 25,000 paramilitaries have supposedly demobilized under a process which has been criticized by AI and other Colombian and international human rights groups, as well as by the OHCHR and the IACHR. The process is lacking in effective mechanisms for justice and in its inability to ensure that paramilitary members actually cease violent activities.
In fact, paramilitarism has not been dismantled, it has simply been "re-engineered." Many demobilized combatants are being encouraged to join "civilian informer networks," to provide military intelligence to the security forces, and to become "civic guards". Since many areas of Colombia have now been wrested from guerrilla control, and paramilitary control established in many of these areas, they no longer see a need to have large numbers of heavily-armed uniformed paramilitaries.
However, evidence suggests that many paramilitary structures remain virtually intact and that paramilitaries continue to kill. Amnesty International continues to document human rights violations committed by paramilitary groups, sometimes operating under new names, and often in collusion with the security forces.
The government began demobilization talks with the paramilitary umbrella organization, the Self-Defence Forces of Colombia (Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia, AUC), soon after the AUC announced a ceasefire in December 2002. Under the Santa Fe de Ralito agreement, signed in July 2003, the AUC agreed to demobilize all its combatants by the end of 2005. More than 8,000 paramilitaries have so far reportedly demobilized.
However, the latest figures suggest that the paramilitaries have been responsible for at least 2,300 killings and “disappearances” since they declared their unilateral ceasefire.
You can google and find stories like this, As recently as March of this year, people have been killed, and this:
People are not being held accountable for the atrocities that are occuring NOW in Columbia.
Colombian government officials and the Bush Administration argue that Colombia is making strides in protecting unionists and prosecuting human rights violators. But despite the work of a courageous few, Colombia has failed to prosecute those responsible for murder, torture, and other abuses during the country's ongoing civil war. The country remains the most dangerous place in the world for trade unionists, with 98 percent of unionist murders going unpunished. Colombia's atrocious human rights record has led members of Congress to block a proposed U.S.-Colombia free trade agreement.
So, now we have McCain trying to push Obama to visit Columbia. For politics. It is telling (at the very least) that while he accuses Barack Obama of making the Iraq war political, McCain himself would make a country strife in Civil war with a murderous government a pawn in his political campaign. It should be obvious that Senator Obama sould not go to Columbia, and Senator John McCain should not have either... But we know WHY he did... it wasn't because he cares about Human Rights... if he REALLY cared about Human Rights, HE would NEVER have hired Charlie Black:
Since 1998, the lobbying firm headed until recently by Charlie Black, one of Mr. McCain’s closest confidants, has earned more than $1.8 million representing the Occidental Petroleum Corporation, the leading foreign producer of gas and oil in Colombia. The lobbying firm, BKSH & Associates, has also represented Colombian textile and apparel manufacturers and a former foreign minister and presidential candidate who is also a prominent businesswoman.
Like I said earlier, FARC is no angel, but this isn't about them, this is about the kind of foriegn policy we will get with John McCain and this is about a country that lives in fear of the government, and the leader of that government. John McCain, a man who was tortured, should know better. Well, if he were anything but a neo-con, he would... but he is what he is, he is a man that is no better than Uribe, *ush, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Rove... the list goes on.
Here are a few extra Monday *cookies*, if you are still reading this:
In Case you were wondering... Who trained those paramilitaries? The United States of America did. We have been for a long time.
And -- those Hostages that were released while Senator McCain was visiting? Here is something else the media didn't follow up on. This was posted on our message board, April 28:
The governor state of New Mexico met on Saturday with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in an effort to restart talks with neighboring Colombia to secure the release of hostages held by leftist rebels.
Chavez this year helped free six hostages held for years by the Marxist FARC rebels in Colombia's four-decade old civil war, but talks have sputtered amid continued bickering between Chavez and Colombian President Alvaro Uribe.
"I've had a good meeting with President Chavez ... (he) has told me that he is willing to help in this situation," Gov. Bill Richardson told reporters after the meeting.
"Many times in a conflict like this we forget the human side, that human beings are being held hostage."
High-profile hostages held by the FARC include French-Colombian politician Ingrid Betancourt and three U.S. anti-drugs contractors kidnapped after their helicopter crashed in the jungle in 2003.
Richardson, who was a U.S. ambassador to the United Nations and has helped release Americans held in Sudan, Iraq, North Korea and Cuba, was asked by the hostages' families to help seek their release. His mother is Mexican and he speaks fluent Spanish.
The leftist Chavez and right-wing Uribe have exchanged bitter accusations throughout the year, even during the hostage release negotiations.
I know it is a lot for a Monday morning. Really, I just thought you should know.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
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Comment by 
capt on 07/28/2008 10:54:04
capt on 07/28/2008 10:54:04
Good Morning!
Excellent post! It seems like McCain is all over the map. No message, no sense and no real plan. The McCain camp has turned into the nasal whining sneer. Good for Barack.
Still very dark here but today will be a great day.
Excellent post! It seems like McCain is all over the map. No message, no sense and no real plan. The McCain camp has turned into the nasal whining sneer. Good for Barack.
Still very dark here but today will be a great day.
Comment by 
clintster on 07/28/2008 11:23:53
clintster on 07/28/2008 11:23:53
Very good post, Raine, and disturbing. After associating ourselves with death squads in El Salvador in the 80s, you would think we would have learned our lesson, but it appears we could head into another such bleak period if McCain becomes President.
On a lighter note, this is my first day at my new job. I'm going to be a drama teacher!
I'll talk more about it after school; sorry I won't be here for the SMS, but duty calls. Be good, do good work, and I'll see y'alls in the afternoon. 
On a lighter note, this is my first day at my new job. I'm going to be a drama teacher!
I'll talk more about it after school; sorry I won't be here for the SMS, but duty calls. Be good, do good work, and I'll see y'alls in the afternoon.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 11:29:09
capt on 07/28/2008 11:29:09
Have a GREAT day Clintster!
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 12:01:22
capt on 07/28/2008 12:01:22
The youtubes will be McCains undoing.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 07/28/2008 12:06:20
Will in Chicago on 07/28/2008 12:06:20
Good morning, bloggers!!!
Raine, thanks for the interesting and disturbing post. We have to remember that contrary to what Calvin Coolidge said, what is best for America is NOT NECESSARILY what is best for America.
Clintster, congratulations on the new job. I have a job interview in two hours and likely another interview by phone. I hope to share some good news with everyone here soon.
Sorry that I have been away. I had a bit of the flu last week and a sore back from a pulled muscle. (Better now.)
The early version of the UNN Daily Headlines are up for those who want to take a look. (I hope to get some more help with them soon, and have less time to work on them as a full-time teacher.)
Raine, thanks for the interesting and disturbing post. We have to remember that contrary to what Calvin Coolidge said, what is best for America is NOT NECESSARILY what is best for America.
Clintster, congratulations on the new job. I have a job interview in two hours and likely another interview by phone. I hope to share some good news with everyone here soon.
Sorry that I have been away. I had a bit of the flu last week and a sore back from a pulled muscle. (Better now.)
The early version of the UNN Daily Headlines are up for those who want to take a look. (I hope to get some more help with them soon, and have less time to work on them as a full-time teacher.)
Comment by 
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 12:18:25
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 12:18:25
Morning :hug:
Clint what great news! And Will I know you'll be sharing good new soon also!
:hug:
Clint what great news! And Will I know you'll be sharing good new soon also!
:hug:
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 12:19:38
capt on 07/28/2008 12:19:38
Will!
Glad you're feeling better and best of luck on the interview(s).
Glad you're feeling better and best of luck on the interview(s).
Comment by 
BobR on 07/28/2008 12:30:07
BobR on 07/28/2008 12:30:07
Morning folks... :coffee:
Comment by 
Shane-O on 07/28/2008 12:42:27
Shane-O on 07/28/2008 12:42:27
Good morning!
I was a bit absent last week (a crazy one). I hope all are well...
Have a great first day Clintster!
I was a bit absent last week (a crazy one). I hope all are well...
Have a great first day Clintster!
Comment by 
TriSec on 07/28/2008 12:43:28
TriSec on 07/28/2008 12:43:28
Morning, folks!
Working from home this am for another hour or so, then we're heading for Friendly Fenway Park!
:party:
Working from home this am for another hour or so, then we're heading for Friendly Fenway Park!
:party:
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 12:47:40
BobR on 07/28/2008 12:47:40
oh yeah - congrats on the new gig Clinster, and good luck to Will... 
Comment by Shane-O on 07/28/2008 12:48:52
Shane-O on 07/28/2008 12:48:52
Stunning info in your post, Raine. Some I knew about - most I did not. Thank you!
Another purely cynical aspect to McCain imploring Obama to travel overseas is the effect is has on campaigning...
McCain made a big spectacle/statement about how he would not attack "his opponent" while out of the U.S. - rightfully so - and Obama should do the same.
Wouldn't McCain love many, many days/weeks where Obama was out of the country so that McCain could take pot-shots at Obama while Obama was required to keep quiet about McCain...
Another purely cynical aspect to McCain imploring Obama to travel overseas is the effect is has on campaigning...
McCain made a big spectacle/statement about how he would not attack "his opponent" while out of the U.S. - rightfully so - and Obama should do the same.
Wouldn't McCain love many, many days/weeks where Obama was out of the country so that McCain could take pot-shots at Obama while Obama was required to keep quiet about McCain...
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 12:49:42
Going to a day game during a work day? Regardless of how the BoSox do, you're already a winner.
Or is this the thing that Javi won?
either way...
BobR on 07/28/2008 12:49:42
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, folks!
Working from home this am for another hour or so, then we're heading for Friendly Fenway Park!
:party:
Going to a day game during a work day? Regardless of how the BoSox do, you're already a winner.
Or is this the thing that Javi won?
either way...
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 12:52:34
BobR on 07/28/2008 12:52:34
So the AJC DID publish my letter in this morning's paper. For those that missed it the first time (last week when I said they told me they would do so), here is the text of what they published:
All the recent calls for offshore drilling as a solution to gas prices fail to take into account the raison d'etre of oil companies. It is not to sell oil, it is to make as much profit as possible. Considering that Exxon made record profits last year without drilling for more oil, one has to wonder why it would be motivated to drill more. More oil would drive the prices down, which means they would make less money per barrel, all the while absorbing the additional costs of producing more oil.
Oil companies already have drilling leases for oil-rich land that they are not using, and there are thousands of acres in Alaska's National Petroleum Reserve that have yet to be leased. There is no shortage of available oil fields. The fact that the oil companies are not using them seems to reinforce the notion that producing oil is not their primary focus.
The only two solutions for driving down oil prices would be to force oil companies to drill more or to regulate the price and/or profit per barrel (which would in effect motivate them to drill more). Both ideas are anathema to "small-government" Republicans, who would rather use the talking point of offshore drilling as a political football than focus on a workable solution.
The issue at hand isn't opening more areas for drilling, it's getting the oil companies to drill in the areas already open.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 13:01:09
capt on 07/28/2008 13:01:09
BobR!
How cool! Good letter.
How cool! Good letter.
Comment by m-hadley on 07/28/2008 13:05:31
m-hadley on 07/28/2008 13:05:31
Mornin' Everybody,
We lost power for about 6 hours yesterday afternoon - long enough for my house to turn into a sauna
But it is partially back on today (I'm having problems getting one of my breakers to switch back on :P). Anway, excellent and very informative post Raine, and Congratulations Clintster (did you ever get the clips from Friday's show?) Knock 'em dead or should I say break a leg? Congrats also to BobR - nice piece in the AJC - which way does that paper swing? Lib or Con? Anyway, hope every body had a great weekend and are looking forward to an excellent week ahead...
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :peace:
:gobama:
We lost power for about 6 hours yesterday afternoon - long enough for my house to turn into a sauna
But it is partially back on today (I'm having problems getting one of my breakers to switch back on :P). Anway, excellent and very informative post Raine, and Congratulations Clintster (did you ever get the clips from Friday's show?) Knock 'em dead or should I say break a leg? Congrats also to BobR - nice piece in the AJC - which way does that paper swing? Lib or Con? Anyway, hope every body had a great weekend and are looking forward to an excellent week ahead... Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :peace:
:gobama:
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 13:08:46
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 13:08:46
Very cool Bob! :party:
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 13:11:04
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 13:11:04
Why does Seattle or Madison get all the good panels?
Comment by 
Raine on 07/28/2008 13:14:12
Raine on 07/28/2008 13:14:12
:coffee2: 
good morning!
Congrats on the great news Clint!
Will, I feel the good news coming your way... I do.
And bob!
good morning! Congrats on the great news Clint!
Will, I feel the good news coming your way... I do.
And bob!
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 13:14:53
capt on 07/28/2008 13:14:53
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 13:16:50
Raine on 07/28/2008 13:16:50
ugh. First caller... winger.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 13:17:16
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 13:17:16
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 13:17:22
capt on 07/28/2008 13:17:22
"I think your show is races?"
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 13:17:51
Raine on 07/28/2008 13:17:51
:rofl: This guy needs to take some more Talking point lessons from Limpballs...
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 13:18:24
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 13:18:24
Dude if your gonna call with talking points don't stutter.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 13:20:53
capt on 07/28/2008 13:20:53
Reich-wingnuts think if the foreigners don't hate us we aren't invading enough countries.
If they get ugly we can bomb them too!
If they get ugly we can bomb them too!
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 13:22:54
Hey Faye - which breaker is it? You might need to turn some things off before being able to reset the breaker.
The AJC leans left, but they print some stuff that seems like they're "trying" to be balanced. Sometimes the two sides do NOT deserve equal time.
BobR on 07/28/2008 13:22:54
Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Everybody,
We lost power for about 6 hours yesterday afternoon - long enough for my house to turn into a sauna
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :peace:
:gobama:
Hey Faye - which breaker is it? You might need to turn some things off before being able to reset the breaker.
The AJC leans left, but they print some stuff that seems like they're "trying" to be balanced. Sometimes the two sides do NOT deserve equal time.
Comment by TriSec on 07/28/2008 13:29:34
TriSec on 07/28/2008 13:29:34
Say Bob, is the letter online somewhere? You know we'd just love to see a link...
Fenway today is the meet and greet with Dustin Pedroia (thank God they won last night, now he won't be surly.)
I have Mrs. TriSec's digital camera, so I'll post some pics tonight.
We're heading for the sobway (intentionally misspelled, if you're familiar with the MBTA
)
Everybody play nice!
Fenway today is the meet and greet with Dustin Pedroia (thank God they won last night, now he won't be surly.)
I have Mrs. TriSec's digital camera, so I'll post some pics tonight.
We're heading for the sobway (intentionally misspelled, if you're familiar with the MBTA
) Everybody play nice!
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 13:38:01
Raine on 07/28/2008 13:38:01
OMG... the show is a wreck this morning. Pobre Rebekkah! :hug:
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 13:51:28
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 13:51:28
Jean Stapleton? 
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 13:52:28
BobR on 07/28/2008 13:52:28
A comment on today's blog post: Considering that tensions are high between Columbia and Venezuela, it's not surprising that the U.S. government is turning a blind eye to Columbia's human rights violations. Our government is probably just chomping at the bit for an excuse to invade Venezuela in a "show of support for our friends in Columbia". 
Comment by 
starling310 on 07/28/2008 13:53:16
That is so awesome!
:clap:
starling310 on 07/28/2008 13:53:16
Quote by clintster:
On a lighter note, this is my first day at my new job. I'm going to be a drama teacher!
That is so awesome!
:clap:
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 13:54:46
That and union busting. A ton of the human rights violations (read murders) are of union organizers and union leaders. Last count I heard was 2,300?
UGH!
capt on 07/28/2008 13:54:46
Quote by BobR:
A comment on today's blog post: Considering that tensions are high between Columbia and Venezuela, it's not surprising that the U.S. government is turning a blind eye to Columbia's human rights violations. Our government is probably just chomping at the bit for an excuse to invade Venezuela in a "show of support for our friends in Columbia".
That and union busting. A ton of the human rights violations (read murders) are of union organizers and union leaders. Last count I heard was 2,300?
UGH!
Comment by 
livingonli on 07/28/2008 13:55:15
livingonli on 07/28/2008 13:55:15
Good morning everyone.
I ordered tickets last night so I am going to go see Shoot the Messenger tonight with both Lizz and Rachel. I will have to ask Rachel why she doesn't get to do Worst Person since Keith seems to hold onto that for dear life.
Congrats to Clintster and good luck with Will on those job prospects. And nice to see BobR's letter in the paper.
I ordered tickets last night so I am going to go see Shoot the Messenger tonight with both Lizz and Rachel. I will have to ask Rachel why she doesn't get to do Worst Person since Keith seems to hold onto that for dear life.
Congrats to Clintster and good luck with Will on those job prospects. And nice to see BobR's letter in the paper.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 13:55:21
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 13:55:21
Morning. *burp*
*burp*
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 13:55:36
starling310 on 07/28/2008 13:55:36
Sooooooo....now John McCain is Obama into going to a country, that we probably shouldn't be associated with, and then if he DOES go there ( which he shouldn't at this point ) he will be criticized for dealing with "those kind of people" and people will conveniently forget the wRight's association with Columbia.
Obama into going to a country, that we probably shouldn't be associated with, and then if he DOES go there ( which he shouldn't at this point ) he will be criticized for dealing with "those kind of people" and people will conveniently forget the wRight's association with Columbia.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 13:56:47
Raine on 07/28/2008 13:56:47
McCain missed every Armed Services Committee hearing In the last two years that discussed Afghanistan
McCain wanted media coverage, and this one actually comes from ABC, who, basically has endorsed John McCain.
A review of the Senate Armed Services Committee hearings as listed on the committee Web site for the past two years reveals that McCain’s committee has held six hearings that included the word “Afghanistan” in the title or Central Command — which overseas U.S. troops in Afghanistan. McCain missed them all.
McCain wanted media coverage, and this one actually comes from ABC, who, basically has endorsed John McCain.
Comment by m-hadley on 07/28/2008 13:59:34
I talked to sweet Rebekah this morning and she should be home in bed and I would gladly bring her some homemade chicken soup if she didn't live 1200 miles away :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
m-hadley on 07/28/2008 13:59:34
Quote by Raine:
OMG... the show is a wreck this morning. Pobre Rebekkah! :hug:
I talked to sweet Rebekah this morning and she should be home in bed and I would gladly bring her some homemade chicken soup if she didn't live 1200 miles away :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 14:02:38
capt on 07/28/2008 14:02:38
From the Teamsters website:
Colombia remains the most dangerous country in the world for union members. More than 2,500 workers have been murdered by Colombian death squads for trying to form unions since the 1980s, and there have been more than 400 murders since President Uribe took office five years ago.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 14:03:48
Political leaders... Church leaders... not to mention the the upwards of 4 million people estimated to have been *internally Displaced*.
The violence is forcing them to leave their homes, their farms and basically EVERYTHING behind...
Raine on 07/28/2008 14:03:48
Quote by capt:Quote by BobR:
A comment on today's blog post: Considering that tensions are high between Columbia and Venezuela, it's not surprising that the U.S. government is turning a blind eye to Columbia's human rights violations. Our government is probably just chomping at the bit for an excuse to invade Venezuela in a "show of support for our friends in Columbia".
That and union busting. A ton of the human rights violations (read murders) are of union organizers and union leaders. Last count I heard was 2,300?
UGH!
The violence is forcing them to leave their homes, their farms and basically EVERYTHING behind...
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 14:04:54
Ask Rach when the F she's getting her own show, so I don't have to pretend to watch KO just to
over her..............
Oops, is my wife on the blog today?
:blink:
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 14:04:54
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
I ordered tickets last night so I am going to go see Shoot the Messenger tonight with both Lizz and Rachel. I will have to ask Rachel why she doesn't get to do Worst Person since Keith seems to hold onto that for dear life.
Congrats to Clintster and good luck with Will on those job prospects. And nice to see BobR's letter in the paper.
Ask Rach when the F she's getting her own show, so I don't have to pretend to watch KO just to
over her..............Oops, is my wife on the blog today?
:blink:
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 14:08:21
Yeah, and Joe LIEberman says that things are getting better down there!
Raine on 07/28/2008 14:08:21
Quote by capt:
From the Teamsters website:Colombia remains the most dangerous country in the world for union members. More than 2,500 workers have been murdered by Colombian death squads for trying to form unions since the 1980s, and there have been more than 400 murders since President Uribe took office five years ago.
Yeah, and Joe LIEberman says that things are getting better down there!
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 14:08:43
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 14:08:43
Oh crap! Jim's not in?
Its not the end of his contract is it? (Usually June or Sept).
:nervous:
Its not the end of his contract is it? (Usually June or Sept).
:nervous:
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 14:12:37
Raine on 07/28/2008 14:12:37
:cheese: the show is a mess today, Chris had 2 hours sleep, Momma is still hungover (possibly drunk) Jim moved this weekend and could make it and Rebekah showed up late ( she is sick and sounds like she is going thru puberty)
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 14:13:05
They said he was moving this weekend, so he may be buried under boxes...
BobR on 07/28/2008 14:13:05
Quote by velveeta jones:
Oh crap! Jim's not in?
Its not the end of his contract is it? (Usually June or Sept).
:nervous:
They said he was moving this weekend, so he may be buried under boxes...
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 14:14:25
I think he just partied too hard this weekend.
livingonli on 07/28/2008 14:14:25
Quote by velveeta jones:
Oh crap! Jim's not in?
Its not the end of his contract is it? (Usually June or Sept).
:nervous:
I think he just partied too hard this weekend.
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 14:17:21
If I ever move, I would be buried under my piles of crap. I think I would need two weeks to move.
livingonli on 07/28/2008 14:17:21
Quote by BobR:Quote by velveeta jones:
Oh crap! Jim's not in?
Its not the end of his contract is it? (Usually June or Sept).
:nervous:
They said he was moving this weekend, so he may be buried under boxes...
If I ever move, I would be buried under my piles of crap. I think I would need two weeks to move.
Comment by m-hadley on 07/28/2008 14:27:13
m-hadley on 07/28/2008 14:27:13
I feel like calling in and doing a chris crocker rant on Rebekah “Steph, you and the mooks should be glad that she even gets up every morning to answer your stinkin’ phones, you should be glad that she even shows up for you bastards!” But Chris and Momma made fun of that bit as being passe, so I think I’ll just share it here on the blog. Anyway, they are very lucky to have Rebekah - she rocks!
Cheers,
mfaye
:fbump: & :airhump:
Cheers,
mfaye
:fbump: & :airhump:
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 14:30:00
livingonli on 07/28/2008 14:30:00
Rebekah is certainly a trooper coming in the condition she's in this morning.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 14:30:16
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 14:30:16
BTW saw Batman over the weekend. WOW!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 14:36:04
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 14:36:04
Ya, um, Sanchez please don't sing again
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 14:36:07
Raine on 07/28/2008 14:36:07
Sanchez.. PLEASE, don't sing.
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 14:36:58
Screw what they think! That bit never gets old!
starling310 on 07/28/2008 14:36:58
Quote by m-hadley:
I feel like calling in and doing a chris crocker rant on Rebekah “Steph, you and the mooks should be glad that she even gets up every morning to answer your stinkin’ phones, you should be glad that she even shows up for you bastards!” But Chris and Momma made fun of that bit as being passe, so I think I’ll just share it here on the blog. Anyway, they are very lucky to have Rebekah - she rocks!
Cheers,
mfaye
:fbump: & :airhump:
Screw what they think! That bit never gets old!
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 14:37:07
Raine on 07/28/2008 14:37:07
Mala :beer:
Blog mindmeld!!
Blog mindmeld!!
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 14:37:11
So, is it as good as they've been saying? I know and were more mixed about it, but I still want to see it. If not tomorrow, probably next Monday.
livingonli on 07/28/2008 14:37:11
Quote by wickedpam:
BTW saw Batman over the weekend. WOW!
So, is it as good as they've been saying? I know
and were more mixed about it, but I still want to see it. If not tomorrow, probably next Monday.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 14:37:20
capt on 07/28/2008 14:37:20
The comedy writes itself. It is too funny that Mama can read an actual headline and it is high-Larry-US!
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 14:38:41
It could be worse. It could be Jake.
livingonli on 07/28/2008 14:38:41
Quote by Raine:
Sanchez.. PLEASE, don't sing.
It could be worse. It could be Jake.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 14:41:06
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 14:41:06
Quote by Raine:
Mala :beer:
Blog mindmeld!!
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 14:42:40
capt on 07/28/2008 14:42:40
Cheesus! To be respected in the world again? I forget what that is like.
Get along? The right (read:wrong) think we have to be feared because they are fear based.
Even the Iran interview is suppose to be FAVORING Obama!
WOO HOO!
Get along? The right (read:wrong) think we have to be feared because they are fear based.
Even the Iran interview is suppose to be FAVORING Obama!
WOO HOO!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 14:46:12
Christian Bale - meh - the "Batman" gruff voice got annoying
Maggie Gylenhall - meh - she was just there
Michael Caine & Morgan Freeman - always great
Aaron Eckhart - wow
Heath Ledger - WOW! The fact that it's really Health just fades away when you watch the preformance.
Side note on the trailers - I know nothing about the Watchmen but I really want to see that movie - the trailer we visiually stunning
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 14:46:12
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
BTW saw Batman over the weekend. WOW!
So, is it as good as they've been saying? I know
Christian Bale - meh - the "Batman" gruff voice got annoying
Maggie Gylenhall - meh - she was just there
Michael Caine & Morgan Freeman - always great
Aaron Eckhart - wow
Heath Ledger - WOW! The fact that it's really Health just fades away when you watch the preformance.
Side note on the trailers - I know nothing about the Watchmen but I really want to see that movie - the trailer we visiually stunning
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 14:53:16
Raine on 07/28/2008 14:53:16
GOP is concerned about McCain:
If McCain hopes to win the election, the strategist added, "he needs to be a happy warrior."
One GOP strategist with close ties to McCain's campaign said the new line of attack reflected the operation's "schizophrenic" nature. He said that tendency was also on display last week, as McCain spoke at length about media coverage of Obama rather than sticking with his plan to focus on the economy.
"They couldn't help themselves," the strategist said, adding that the ad over the hospital visit is "churlish and unlike McCain, and hardly will resonate with the swing voters who are going to decide this election." The strategist continued: "They're doing it because the candidate, and the campaign, is not happy with where they are and they're lashing out."
If McCain hopes to win the election, the strategist added, "he needs to be a happy warrior."
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 14:55:19
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 14:55:19
My complaint about Batman, and most of these action films these days, the "action" stunts are so complicated and over-the-top, that they are difficult to watch.
You know, the old days of the well filmed car chase or fight scene is over thanks to CGI and hooking actors to wire.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but give me a stunt that is believable and its awesome to watch and its a lot more fun.
You know, the old days of the well filmed car chase or fight scene is over thanks to CGI and hooking actors to wire.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but give me a stunt that is believable and its awesome to watch and its a lot more fun.
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 14:56:47
Has Jake called in singing? I guess I missed that...
BobR on 07/28/2008 14:56:47
Quote by livingonli:
It could be worse. It could be Jake.
Has Jake called in singing? I guess I missed that...
Comment by 
Scoopster on 07/28/2008 14:57:01
Scoopster on 07/28/2008 14:57:01
Morning all... ugh what a crappy weekend! Storms on Friday screwed with my wifi, power was out most of the day on Saturday because the electrician was putting in new breakers and tracking down a short circuit (I know.. on a Saturday?!), plus I got a really nasty leg cramp and that kept me from wanting to go out walking in Providence or going to the movies.... and Sunday more storms all damn day. Plus the general slowly-fading depressed feeling from the past week of mourning.
At least my brother's gift helped lift the spirit and ease the pain!
At least my brother's gift helped lift the spirit and ease the pain!
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 14:57:26
Totally. And, 3 hours of "stunts" that are hard to watch? :yawn:
Also, I like a good story. And, action movies often go with the philosophy of dumbing down the story line, hoping people will be so stunned by the fancy footwork, that they won't care about the story, or lack there of.
starling310 on 07/28/2008 14:57:26
Quote by velveeta jones:
My complaint about Batman, and most of these action films these days, the "action" stunts are so complicated and over-the-top, that they are difficult to watch.
You know, the old days of the well filmed car chase or fight scene is over thanks to CGI and hooking actors to wire.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but give me a stunt that is believable and its awesome to watch and its a lot more fun.
Totally. And, 3 hours of "stunts" that are hard to watch? :yawn:
Also, I like a good story. And, action movies often go with the philosophy of dumbing down the story line, hoping people will be so stunned by the fancy footwork, that they won't care about the story, or lack there of.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 14:59:22
capt on 07/28/2008 14:59:22
If US changes attidue, Iran will respond: Ahmadinejad
McCain is being kicked out of the race from all sides. He and the Bush crew have to face the fact that nobody likes them, not even the loons.
WASHINGTON (AFP) — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in an interview aired on US television Monday that if the United States adopted a genuinely new approach to his country Tehran would respond in a positive way.
"Today, we see new behavior shown by the United States and the officials of the United States. My question is, is such behavior rooted in a new approach?" the president told NBC in a rare interview with a US broadcaster.
"In other words, mutual respect, cooperation and justice? Or is this approach a continuation in the confrontation with the Iranian people, but in a new guise?" he said from Tehran, speaking through an interpreter.
If US behavior represented a genuine change, "we will be facing a new situation and the response by the Iranian people will be a positive one".
McCain is being kicked out of the race from all sides. He and the Bush crew have to face the fact that nobody likes them, not even the loons.
Comment by Shane-O on 07/28/2008 15:02:47
There was a good deal of political commentary in the Dark Knight... I haven't quite sorted it all out (and I certainly don't think that Batman was supposed to be Bush - like Murdoch does) - but consider the vote taken on the two boats - the count was 397-140... (include non-voting members of Congress - and how they expressed themselves) - sound like a familiar number?
Shane-O on 07/28/2008 15:02:47
Quote by starling310:Quote by velveeta jones:
My complaint about Batman, and most of these action films these days, the "action" stunts are so complicated and over-the-top, that they are difficult to watch.
You know, the old days of the well filmed car chase or fight scene is over thanks to CGI and hooking actors to wire.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but give me a stunt that is believable and its awesome to watch and its a lot more fun.
Totally. And, 3 hours of "stunts" that are hard to watch? :yawn:
Also, I like a good story. And, action movies often go with the philosophy of dumbing down the story line, hoping people will be so stunned by the fancy footwork, that they won't care about the story, or lack there of.
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:04:38
Fortunately no. But if Sanchez was like that, imagine if Buddy or Jake did something similar.
livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:04:38
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
It could be worse. It could be Jake.
Has Jake called in singing? I guess I missed that...
Fortunately no. But if Sanchez was like that, imagine if Buddy or Jake did something similar.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 15:05:47
capt on 07/28/2008 15:05:47
Injured vets tell pull Dick Cheney invitation over security demands
Why isn't the M$M screaming about this? Cheney is told HIS security BS is insane and not to come?
Is this a substantial constrast to some current event?
Hmmmmm
Why isn't the M$M screaming about this? Cheney is told HIS security BS is insane and not to come?
Is this a substantial constrast to some current event?
Hmmmmm
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 15:07:29
The boat scene was in the last 45 minutes. I was already sort of bored, at that point.
But, cool observation.
I just felt like the movie went on way tooooooo long.
starling310 on 07/28/2008 15:07:29
Quote by Shane-O:There was a good deal of political commentary in the Dark Knight... I haven't quite sorted it all out (and I certainly don't think that Batman was supposed to be Bush - like Murdoch does) - but consider the vote taken on the two boats - the count was 397-140... (include non-voting members of Congress - and how they expressed themselves) - sound like a familiar number?Quote by starling310:Quote by velveeta jones:
My complaint about Batman, and most of these action films these days, the "action" stunts are so complicated and over-the-top, that they are difficult to watch.
You know, the old days of the well filmed car chase or fight scene is over thanks to CGI and hooking actors to wire.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but give me a stunt that is believable and its awesome to watch and its a lot more fun.
Totally. And, 3 hours of "stunts" that are hard to watch? :yawn:
Also, I like a good story. And, action movies often go with the philosophy of dumbing down the story line, hoping people will be so stunned by the fancy footwork, that they won't care about the story, or lack there of.
The boat scene was in the last 45 minutes. I was already sort of bored, at that point.
But, cool observation.
I just felt like the movie went on way tooooooo long.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 15:10:18
capt on 07/28/2008 15:10:18
Fear breeds violence. 
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:15:18
It did go way too long -they could have cut atleast 30 minutes from it and maybe made it not so dark so you could see some of the stunts. Come to think of it the only real stunt I remember if the big car chase with the semi, the police van, and the batmoblie/bike
I got all teary with the ferry observation. Then again I'm just a big old softy at heart.
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:15:18
Quote by starling310:Quote by Shane-O:There was a good deal of political commentary in the Dark Knight... I haven't quite sorted it all out (and I certainly don't think that Batman was supposed to be Bush - like Murdoch does) - but consider the vote taken on the two boats - the count was 397-140... (include non-voting members of Congress - and how they expressed themselves) - sound like a familiar number?Quote by starling310:Quote by velveeta jones:
My complaint about Batman, and most of these action films these days, the "action" stunts are so complicated and over-the-top, that they are difficult to watch.
You know, the old days of the well filmed car chase or fight scene is over thanks to CGI and hooking actors to wire.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but give me a stunt that is believable and its awesome to watch and its a lot more fun.
Totally. And, 3 hours of "stunts" that are hard to watch? :yawn:
Also, I like a good story. And, action movies often go with the philosophy of dumbing down the story line, hoping people will be so stunned by the fancy footwork, that they won't care about the story, or lack there of.
The boat scene was in the last 45 minutes. I was already sort of bored, at that point.
But, cool observation.
I just felt like the movie went on way tooooooo long.
It did go way too long -they could have cut atleast 30 minutes from it and maybe made it not so dark so you could see some of the stunts. Come to think of it the only real stunt I remember if the big car chase with the semi, the police van, and the batmoblie/bike
I got all teary with the ferry observation. Then again I'm just a big old softy at heart.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/28/2008 15:15:21
Scoopster on 07/28/2008 15:15:21
Myth: The GOP and McCain claim that their adopted surge strategy was the main reason we have success now, so they want to continue this strategy and win the war in Iraq, and claim that Obama and the Dems say the strategy has failed and they want to quit and surrender.
Fact: The surge strategy has not worked because there is still no political progress in Iraq and that was its main mission. The reduction in violence has nothing to do with the surge strategy - it is because the Sunnis stopped fighting us and are fighting Al Qaeda instead, and the Sadrists have stuck to a cease-fire in order to help move the political process. Obama and the Dems recognize this fact, plus recognize the fact that the Iraqis Government and people want us OUT, which is why they continue to push get us OUT. Plus, our forces are needed elsewhere to fight Al Qaeda and find Bin Laden, whom Bush, McCain and the Republicans have long since given up even looking for because his constant presence suits their politically motivated fearmongering.
Fact: The surge strategy has not worked because there is still no political progress in Iraq and that was its main mission. The reduction in violence has nothing to do with the surge strategy - it is because the Sunnis stopped fighting us and are fighting Al Qaeda instead, and the Sadrists have stuck to a cease-fire in order to help move the political process. Obama and the Dems recognize this fact, plus recognize the fact that the Iraqis Government and people want us OUT, which is why they continue to push get us OUT. Plus, our forces are needed elsewhere to fight Al Qaeda and find Bin Laden, whom Bush, McCain and the Republicans have long since given up even looking for because his constant presence suits their politically motivated fearmongering.
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 15:16:02
I love how they started backpeddling and saying they were "recommendations". I also love the photo they chose to use.
The headline is worded a bit oddly though...
BobR on 07/28/2008 15:16:02
Quote by capt:
Injured vets tell pull Dick Cheney invitation over security demands
Why isn't the M$M screaming about this? Cheney is told HIS security BS is insane and not to come?
Is this a substantial constrast to some current event?
Hmmmmm
I love how they started backpeddling and saying they were "recommendations". I also love the photo they chose to use.
The headline is worded a bit oddly though...
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:17:45
livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:17:45
Everything and more you needed to know about The Watchmen.
I do have both the original issues and the trade paperback.
I do have both the original issues and the trade paperback.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:17:53
hmmm
misinformed + depression + hatefulness + guns = tragedy
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:17:53
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Cheezus Christ.
more info here
hmmm
misinformed + depression + hatefulness + guns = tragedy
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 15:17:53
that's it in a nutshell (or a couple nutshells...).
BobR on 07/28/2008 15:17:53
Quote by Scoopster:
Myth: The GOP and McCain claim that their adopted surge strategy was the main reason we have success now, so they want to continue this strategy and win the war in Iraq, and claim that Obama and the Dems say the strategy has failed and they want to quit and surrender.
Fact: The surge strategy has not worked because there is still no political progress in Iraq and that was its main mission. The reduction in violence has nothing to do with the surge strategy - it is because the Sunnis stopped fighting us and are fighting Al Qaeda instead, and the Sadrists have stuck to a cease-fire in order to help move the political process. Obama and the Dems recognize this fact, plus recognize the fact that the Iraqis Government and people want us OUT, which is why they continue to push get us OUT. Plus, our forces are needed elsewhere to fight Al Qaeda and find Bin Laden, whom Bush, McCain and the Republicans have long since given up even looking for because his constant presence suits their politically motivated fearmongering.
that's it in a nutshell (or a couple nutshells...).
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:19:07
I shall have to do my research before seeing the movie - thanks for the link :)
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:19:07
Quote by livingonli:
Everything and more you needed to know about The Watchmen.
I do have both the original issues and the trade paperback.
I shall have to do my research before seeing the movie - thanks for the link :)
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:20:08
Kill for Jesus. Someone really doesn't understand those teachings.
livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:20:08
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Cheezus Christ.
more info here
Kill for Jesus. Someone really doesn't understand those teachings.
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 15:21:07
Un-fucking-believable! :rage:
Check this out from the article:
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 15:21:07
Quote by capt:
Injured vets tell pull Dick Cheney invitation over security demands
Why isn't the M$M screaming about this? Cheney is told HIS security BS is insane and not to come?
Is this a substantial constrast to some current event?
Hmmmmm
Un-fucking-believable! :rage:
Check this out from the article:
Gorman [Disabled American Vetrans] first invited Bush, who has never addressed the group, but the White House declined last month.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 15:23:03
HE hated the Gays and the Libruls, but damn... He LOVED his food stamps. That AP article Sucks... here are more details about this nutcase... (Owen is the police Chief)
Right wing Hate radio played a part in the dialogue inside this psycho's head.
Raine on 07/28/2008 15:23:03
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Cheezus Christ.
more info here
HE hated the Gays and the Libruls, but damn... He LOVED his food stamps. That AP article Sucks... here are more details about this nutcase... (Owen is the police Chief)
-The FBI is investigating the shooting as a hate crime. -The shotgun was purchased at a pawn shop. -The shooter brought 76 rounds of ammunition with him into the church.
-Owen: Shooter targeted Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church due to "recent publicity" the church had received regarding its "liberal stance" on things. -Owen says the actions of the church members who tackled the shooter likely saved many lives, as it appears the shooter intended to try to kill as many people as possible, and did not expect to leave the church alive.
-Owen is proud of the very quick response time of his officers to the scene - approximately three minutes.
-Owen says it does not appear the shooter was specifically targeting children -Owen says he's been told the shotgun was purchased about one month ago.
-Owen: the shooter was disturbed because his food stamps were soon to be reduced, and he believed "the liberal movement" was getting better jobs than he was.
-Owen: the FBI and ATF are assisting. The ATF is helping to trace the gun. -Owen: the shooting suspect had worked all over the country prior to ending up in Powell, Tennessee.
-Owen: five people still hospitalized. Four are in critical condition. One is in serious condition. -The shooter is a veteran of the 101st Airborne, and had an associates degree in something related to mechanical engineering.
Right wing Hate radio played a part in the dialogue inside this psycho's head.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 15:24:31
he didn't kill for Jesus, he killed because he was told to hate the gays and the liberals.
Jesus never taught that.
Raine on 07/28/2008 15:24:31
Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Cheezus Christ.
more info here
Kill for Jesus. Someone really doesn't understand those teachings.
Jesus never taught that.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:25:09
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:25:09
:dance:
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 15:26:29
capt on 07/28/2008 15:26:29
Doesn't happen often but the whole list of news has me speechless and sad.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 15:28:20
Here capt!
Good news? is up 9 points today!!!
Raine on 07/28/2008 15:28:20
Quote by capt:
Doesn't happen often but the whole list of news has me speechless and sad.
Here capt!
Good news?
is up 9 points today!!!
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:30:49
I was being sarcastic about the shooter who probably professes to be a Christian while doing the exact opposite of what Jesus taught.
livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:30:49
Quote by Raine:he didn't kill for Jesus, he killed because he was told to hate the gays and the liberals.Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Cheezus Christ.
more info here
Kill for Jesus. Someone really doesn't understand those teachings.
Jesus never taught that.
I was being sarcastic about the shooter who probably professes to be a Christian while doing the exact opposite of what Jesus taught.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:32:00
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:32:00
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 15:33:28
psst. i did too.
but, don't tell anybody.
starling310 on 07/28/2008 15:33:28
Quote by wickedpam:
I got all teary with the ferry observation. Then again I'm just a big old softy at heart.
psst. i did too.
but, don't tell anybody.
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 15:36:02
I would put this church shooter in the same category as the KKK murderers that bombed churches in the 60's...
BobR on 07/28/2008 15:36:02
Quote by wickedpam:
hmmm
misinformed + depression + hatefulness + guns = tragedy
I would put this church shooter in the same category as the KKK murderers that bombed churches in the 60's...
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 15:38:04
This man is a terrorist, imo.
You know they firebombed Black Churches in the 60's. This man is a self proclaimed Confederate, as well btw. From WBIR, Knoxville.
Raine on 07/28/2008 15:38:04
This man is a terrorist, imo.
You know they firebombed Black Churches in the 60's. This man is a self proclaimed Confederate, as well btw.
A neighbor told 10News [alleged shooter Jim] Adkisson described himself as a "Confederate" and a "believer in the old South." She says Adkisson self-identified in this way to her on more than one occasion, but that she didn't know what he meant by it.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:38:53
It's all fueled by hate. It's just sad really.
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:38:53
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
hmmm
misinformed + depression + hatefulness + guns = tragedy
I would put this church shooter in the same category as the KKK murderers that bombed churches in the 60's...
It's all fueled by hate. It's just sad really.
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:40:41
What a blight on humanity.
livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:40:41
Quote by Raine:
This man is a terrorist, imo.
You know they firebombed Black Churches in the 60's. This man is a self proclaimed Confederate, as well btw.From WBIR, Knoxville.A neighbor told 10News [alleged shooter Jim] Adkisson described himself as a "Confederate" and a "believer in the old South." She says Adkisson self-identified in this way to her on more than one occasion, but that she didn't know what he meant by it.
What a blight on humanity.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 15:41:28
capt on 07/28/2008 15:41:28
And then there is this one - Nazi uniforms? All in fun . . .
Witches, Goblins and Nazis in Ukraine
We have a bunch of work to do on this planet - a whole bunch of work.
I do need an early mood adjuster, good thing I can self medicate
Witches, Goblins and Nazis in Ukraine
We have a bunch of work to do on this planet - a whole bunch of work.
I do need an early mood adjuster, good thing I can self medicate
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 15:43:46
capt on 07/28/2008 15:43:46
First thing I thought of was the bombing of abortion clinics and shooting of doctors offering those services.
These people are so full of hate and fear and self-loathing . . .
*headed to the garage*
These people are so full of hate and fear and self-loathing . . .
*headed to the garage*
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:45:18
livingonli on 07/28/2008 15:45:18
If I can find a copy of Bob Marley's War, I may make that my late night video theater tonight.
Until the philosophy which hold one race
Superior and another inferior
Is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned
Everywhere is war, me say war
That until there are no longer first class
And second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man's skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes
Me say war
That until the basic human rights are equally
Guaranteed to all, without regard to race
Dis a war
That until that day
The dream of lasting peace, world citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion
To be persued, but never attained
Now everywhere is war, war
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 15:47:54
Is that a mug shot or an employee ID for the Dept. of Corrections?
also regarding this:
She doesn't know what he meant by it?? Oh c'mon - everyone knows it means he wants to return to the days of slavery. He is a racist of the worst kind.
BobR on 07/28/2008 15:47:54
Quote by Raine:
This man is a terrorist, imo.
You know they firebombed Black Churches in the 60's. This man is a self proclaimed Confederate, as well btw. From WBIR, Knoxville.
Is that a mug shot or an employee ID for the Dept. of Corrections?
also regarding this:
A neighbor told 10News [alleged shooter Jim] Adkisson described himself as a "Confederate" and a "believer in the old South." She says Adkisson self-identified in this way to her on more than one occasion, but that she didn't know what he meant by it.
She doesn't know what he meant by it?? Oh c'mon - everyone knows it means he wants to return to the days of slavery. He is a racist of the worst kind.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:50:05
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 15:50:05
we need a facepalm emoticon
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 15:52:11
That was Eric Rudolph. He bombed abortion clinics, gay bars, and the Atlanta Olympics.
BobR on 07/28/2008 15:52:11
Quote by capt:
First thing I thought of was the bombing of abortion clinics and shooting of doctors offering those services.
These people are so full of hate and fear and self-loathing . . .
*headed to the garage*
That was Eric Rudolph. He bombed abortion clinics, gay bars, and the Atlanta Olympics.
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 16:04:40
facepalm? :scratchhead:
BobR on 07/28/2008 16:04:40
Quote by wickedpam:
we need a facepalm emoticon
facepalm? :scratchhead:
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 16:10:37
Raine on 07/28/2008 16:10:37
So, in political News...
I am thinking that we are going to see Obama VP choice by or before August 8. Opening ceremonies are the 8th, games begin the 9th.
I say this becuase it is the opening of the Olympics, and they are going to dominate the news cycle for about 2 weeks (should REALLY piss of Grampy...) The olympics end, Guess when? August 24th...
The DNC begins the Next day... So what say you all?
I am thinking that we are going to see Obama VP choice by or before August 8. Opening ceremonies are the 8th, games begin the 9th.
I say this becuase it is the opening of the Olympics, and they are going to dominate the news cycle for about 2 weeks (should REALLY piss of Grampy...) The olympics end, Guess when? August 24th...
The DNC begins the Next day... So what say you all?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 16:14:55
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 16:14:55
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
we need a facepalm emoticon
facepalm? :scratchhead:
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 16:17:45
Aren't ratings for the Olympics usually down when they are in a time zone that is so far from the US? Plus to be honest - I really could care less about the Olympics. It seemed like a bigger deal when I was a kid.
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 16:17:45
Quote by Raine:
So, in political News...
I am thinking that we are going to see Obama VP choice by or before August 8. Opening ceremonies are the 8th, games begin the 9th.
I say this becuase it is the opening of the Olympics, and they are going to dominate the news cycle for about 2 weeks (should REALLY piss of Grampy...) The olympics end, Guess when? August 24th...
The DNC begins the Next day... So what say you all?
Aren't ratings for the Olympics usually down when they are in a time zone that is so far from the US? Plus to be honest - I really could care less about the Olympics. It seemed like a bigger deal when I was a kid.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/28/2008 16:20:31
Scoopster on 07/28/2008 16:20:31
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 16:48:45
livingonli on 07/28/2008 16:48:45
Ok, who broke the blog? 
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 16:52:58
BobR on 07/28/2008 16:52:58
gah - this is aggravating to have the server rebooted every freakin' day!
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 07/28/2008 16:54:10
trojanrabbit on 07/28/2008 16:54:10
Not I.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 16:57:11
Raine on 07/28/2008 16:57:11
I am very upset about this church shooting...
I am so glad that Thom is talking about this. So so very glad.
I am so glad that Thom is talking about this. So so very glad.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 17:02:59
capt on 07/28/2008 17:02:59
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
~ Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 17:09:53
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 17:09:53
Interesting comments over at ABC "news" on the shooter. One person pointed out this:
Inter-esting, yes? Someone needs to pick up that piece of the story.
Also noted by one poster, that wasn't this the same right-wing tools that laughed at Obama's comment about "bitter" Americans?
Rich!
Nashville's Super Talk WTN personality Michael DelGiorno, has spent about two months pounding the "Liberal Churches" and calling for "action". http://www.997wtn.com/custpage.cfm/frm/9347/sec_id/9380I guess he got his wish.
Inter-esting, yes? Someone needs to pick up that piece of the story.
Also noted by one poster, that wasn't this the same right-wing tools that laughed at Obama's comment about "bitter" Americans?
Rich!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 17:13:13
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 17:13:13
Um - we import most of our oil from Canada I believe and they get it without drilling.
Carry or Terry or whatever her name is, doesn't seem to have a bright picture of the future if all she want's to do it drill. No, the future and the place to invest is in green technology for sources of energy.
Carry or Terry or whatever her name is, doesn't seem to have a bright picture of the future if all she want's to do it drill. No, the future and the place to invest is in green technology for sources of energy.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 17:13:13
When I despair I always remember hate is not a natural state of mind or being. It is a fight but hate will lose.
capt on 07/28/2008 17:13:13
Quote by Raine:
I am very upset about this church shooting...
I am so glad that Thom is talking about this. So so very glad.
When I despair I always remember hate is not a natural state of mind or being. It is a fight but hate will lose.
Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it.
~ Martin Luther King Jr.
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 17:13:53
starling310 on 07/28/2008 17:13:53
Yes, Bobber the rebooting is beyond frustrating. 
<---- rebooting monkies.
This girl Carrie is so out of her league.
<---- rebooting monkies. This girl Carrie is so out of her league.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/28/2008 17:14:35
Scoopster on 07/28/2008 17:14:35
:grumble: bloggie go boom!
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 17:15:30
starling310 on 07/28/2008 17:15:30
Exactly Thom...
What's bad about Solar Power?
Nuttin.
What's bad about Solar Power?
Nuttin.
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 17:16:50
starling310 on 07/28/2008 17:16:50
Carrie, when you start every sentence with "I think" it weakens your point. "I think" is a clear indication that an opinion is coming up. Give us some facts, girlie.
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 17:16:59
Barack Obama, 4/6/2008
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 17:16:59
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Barack Obama, 4/6/2008
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 17:17:34
starling310 on 07/28/2008 17:17:34
Is it really good talking with her, Thom? Or, do you want to stick pencils in your eyes when she's gone?
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 17:19:43
livingonli on 07/28/2008 17:19:43
I just got a shitload more HD channels today including 
Fox News HD. It doesn't even look like they do HD. They just move the picture to the left and add more on-screen clutter on the right which is what they also seem to do to Fox Business HD.
And, believe it or not QVC is now in HD. And I also got more HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, and Starz! channels in HD.
Fox News HD. It doesn't even look like they do HD. They just move the picture to the left and add more on-screen clutter on the right which is what they also seem to do to Fox Business HD. And, believe it or not QVC is now in HD. And I also got more HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, and Starz! channels in HD.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/28/2008 17:22:24
Scoopster on 07/28/2008 17:22:24
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 17:26:01
This might be a bit too far to get out of a hit and run citation. Well, if he doesn't go to jail for either of his crimes than this could be Karma payback.
livingonli on 07/28/2008 17:26:01
Quote by Scoopster:
Not sure if this has been reported yet, but..
A shame.. couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
This might be a bit too far to get out of a hit and run citation. Well, if he doesn't go to jail for either of his crimes than this could be Karma payback.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/28/2008 17:26:14
Scoopster on 07/28/2008 17:26:14
McCain's son resigns from boards of tanking banks.
Keepin' them maverick values in the family I see..
Keepin' them maverick values in the family I see..
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 17:30:48
capt on 07/28/2008 17:30:48
The caller is a shill, trying to change the subject?
Taxes, healthcare, the post office?
I don't buy it.
Thom is too kind and considerate.
Taxes, healthcare, the post office?
I don't buy it.
Thom is too kind and considerate.
Comment by georgiatrooper on 07/28/2008 17:55:05
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Scoopster:
Not sure if this has been reported yet, but..
A shame.. couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
This might be a bit too far to get out of a hit and run citation. Well, if he doesn't go to jail for either of his crimes than this could be Karma payback.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 17:56:12
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 17:56:12
Donde los Yikes. Watching this thing on "Real Sports" about the dangers of equestrian eventing. Lots of b-roll of horses and people flipping over on each other. Cheesus!
Hello everyone.
Hello everyone.
Comment by georgiatrooper on 07/28/2008 17:57:21
Wow. You are a nice caring S-P. Good to see that you care so much about other people. I guess you would be okay with people being happy about your hero Teddy having a brain tumor as well. You people are something else.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 18:00:07
capt on 07/28/2008 18:00:07
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 18:02:24
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 18:02:24
Damn - where'd the troll-be-gone go?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 18:07:55
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 18:07:55
A Bill O the Clown quoting troll at that! Welcome Georgiatrooper.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 18:12:23
This story really smells... from what I understadn the 2Q profits haven't been released yet...
Seems to me, someone had some insider information.
Raine on 07/28/2008 18:12:23
Quote by Scoopster:
McCain's son resigns from boards of tanking banks.
Keepin' them maverick values in the family I see..
Seems to me, someone had some insider information.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 18:17:20
Might be more tangential, I heard some big time investors were thinking of jumping on board - when they thought daddio might be top dawg, the writing is on the wall. McCain can't even get $$$$ interested in his run. All the money is RNC and they are still talking their marching orders from Bush.
That'd scare any thinking investor away. Might be that simple.
capt on 07/28/2008 18:17:20
Quote by Raine:This story really smells... from what I understadn the 2Q profits haven't been released yet...Quote by Scoopster:
McCain's son resigns from boards of tanking banks.
Keepin' them maverick values in the family I see..
Seems to me, someone had some insider information.
Might be more tangential, I heard some big time investors were thinking of jumping on board - when they thought daddio might be top dawg, the writing is on the wall. McCain can't even get $$$$ interested in his run. All the money is RNC and they are still talking their marching orders from Bush.
That'd scare any thinking investor away. Might be that simple.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 18:18:08
It was the supporters of the Hutu's in Rwanda who called for action on the controlled Radio that inflamed the Genocide there
Just saying.
The time has come for ALL of us to understand that Haste speech cannot be ignored on the radio. For so long we on the left have said we shoudl ignore the likes of Savage and Coulter et all becuase soem would say it legitimizes them... well, this guy, in killing people did it all himself. They are dangerous.
Raine on 07/28/2008 18:18:08
Quote by velveeta jones:
Interesting comments over at ABC "news" on the shooter. One person pointed out this:Nashville's Super Talk WTN personality Michael DelGiorno, has spent about two months pounding the "Liberal Churches" and calling for "action". http://www.997wtn.com/custpage.cfm/frm/9347/sec_id/9380I guess he got his wish.
Inter-esting, yes? Someone needs to pick up that piece of the story.
Also noted by one poster, that wasn't this the same right-wing tools that laughed at Obama's comment about "bitter" Americans?
Rich!
Just saying.
The time has come for ALL of us to understand that Haste speech cannot be ignored on the radio. For so long we on the left have said we shoudl ignore the likes of Savage and Coulter et all becuase soem would say it legitimizes them... well, this guy, in killing people did it all himself. They are dangerous.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 18:23:20
Thanks for that capt...
Raine on 07/28/2008 18:23:20
Quote by capt:Quote by Raine:
I am very upset about this church shooting...
I am so glad that Thom is talking about this. So so very glad.
When I despair I always remember hate is not a natural state of mind or being. It is a fight but hate will lose.Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it.
~ Martin Luther King Jr.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 18:23:57
You're right as (dare I say) rain!
It is hard to address these creeps but ignoring them has not helped and hate is not a civil right.
capt on 07/28/2008 18:23:57
Quote by Raine:
It was the supporters of the Hutu's in Rwanda who called for action on the controlled Radio that inflamed the Genocide there
Just saying.
The time has come for ALL of us to understand that Haste speech cannot be ignored on the radio. For so long we on the left have said we shoudl ignore the likes of Savage and Coulter et all becuase soem would say it legitimizes them... well, this guy, in killing people did it all himself. They are dangerous.
You're right as (dare I say) rain!
It is hard to address these creeps but ignoring them has not helped and hate is not a civil right.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 18:28:55
capt on 07/28/2008 18:28:55
Speaking of Savage Weiner? The local news at noon ran with the story.
At least that is something. Talk about being an idiot - Savage Weiner has made millions of enemies.
The universe seeks a balanace. . .
At least that is something. Talk about being an idiot - Savage Weiner has made millions of enemies.
The universe seeks a balanace. . .
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 18:30:09
capt on 07/28/2008 18:30:09
"hate is not a civil right"
Do I speak in bumperstickers?
Do I speak in bumperstickers?
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 18:32:22
Some of the best philospers have written bumper stickers I beleive.
Raine on 07/28/2008 18:32:22
Quote by capt:
"hate is not a civil right"
Do I speak in bumperstickers?
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 18:51:55
capt on 07/28/2008 18:51:55
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 19:03:32
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 19:03:32
Capt - THAT is funny :spit:
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 19:11:07
He says he sees nothing wrong with us being there in a support role (like we do in Japan) based on conditions on the ground. I have yet to hear him say what conditions on the ground would qualify as being good enough for us to get out. You'd think "conditions on the ground" in Japan would be good enough for us to leave at this point, yet we're still there...
BobR on 07/28/2008 19:11:07
Quote by capt:
He says he sees nothing wrong with us being there in a support role (like we do in Japan) based on conditions on the ground. I have yet to hear him say what conditions on the ground would qualify as being good enough for us to get out. You'd think "conditions on the ground" in Japan would be good enough for us to leave at this point, yet we're still there...
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 19:11:19
MSNBC reported that this mole was removed from his left temple...
Raine on 07/28/2008 19:11:19
Quote by Raine:
John McCain has Spot removed from Face...
MSNBC reported that this mole was removed from his left temple...
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 19:14:35
He's going to drop out, THAT is why he is being such an ass and so vociferous and hateful. It will make the actual candidate seem kind and above the fray.
*puts on tin foil hat*
capt on 07/28/2008 19:14:35
Quote by Raine:
John McCain has Spot removed from Face...
He's going to drop out, THAT is why he is being such an ass and so vociferous and hateful. It will make the actual candidate seem kind and above the fray.
*puts on tin foil hat*
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 19:22:53
Well bully for the rich guy!! He goes to his skin doctor every 3-4 months? Lucky him! I also have had many skin cancerous moles/spots removed from my face, neck and arms. But my insurance only lets me go once every year and I just had stuff removed in May. Can't go back until at least January.
Jealous? Nope.
:rage:
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 19:22:53
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
John McCain has Spot removed from Face...
MSNBC reported that this mole was removed from his left temple...
Well bully for the rich guy!! He goes to his skin doctor every 3-4 months? Lucky him! I also have had many skin cancerous moles/spots removed from my face, neck and arms. But my insurance only lets me go once every year and I just had stuff removed in May. Can't go back until at least January.
Jealous? Nope.
:rage:
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 19:23:43
If you catch the last minute or half minute you will see what he thinks exact conditions on the ground could be . . .
capt on 07/28/2008 19:23:43
Quote by capt:
The youtubes will be McCains undoing.
If you catch the last minute or half minute you will see what he thinks exact conditions on the ground could be . . .
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 19:24:41
I am thinking the same thing capt.
His VP nominee will be the GOP nominee, perhaps.
Raine on 07/28/2008 19:24:41
Quote by capt:Quote by Raine:
John McCain has Spot removed from Face...
He's going to drop out, THAT is why he is being such an ass and so vociferous and hateful. It will make the actual candidate seem kind and above the fray.
*puts on tin foil hat*
His VP nominee will be the GOP nominee, perhaps.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 19:25:27
Left temple? That is where the very bad one was too? So it is a relapse.
Who will be the new nominee? Mitt? Huckleberry Hound?
capt on 07/28/2008 19:25:27
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
John McCain has Spot removed from Face...
MSNBC reported that this mole was removed from his left temple...
Left temple? That is where the very bad one was too? So it is a relapse.
Who will be the new nominee? Mitt? Huckleberry Hound?
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 19:27:41
capt on 07/28/2008 19:27:41
Oh and the M$M will LOVE IT! They will have something to peddle, a new neo-narrative about how out of the blue _______ (new named nominee) is a real and present danger to Barack?
This whole thing is going to blow up in their faces.
This whole thing is going to blow up in their faces.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 19:31:31
Raine on 07/28/2008 19:31:31
Oliver Stones *W* trailer!
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 19:39:36
Raine on 07/28/2008 19:39:36
Randi... this story is not true.
The woman herself said that he is NOT the father. Come on forgawdsake!
The woman herself said that he is NOT the father. Come on forgawdsake!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 19:39:37
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 19:39:37
I'm not sure what to make of the trailer really
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 19:40:08
capt on 07/28/2008 19:40:08
The movie "W" should have been out years ago.
On Edwards - it is the same baby claim that was disputed long ago. Is he in a hotel room with a woman - ALONE? Where are we effin Yemen? Iran? Did she have to have her husband there?
UGH!
On Edwards - it is the same baby claim that was disputed long ago. Is he in a hotel room with a woman - ALONE? Where are we effin Yemen? Iran? Did she have to have her husband there?
UGH!
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 19:45:06
AND the father (not edwards) is on the birth cert? Yet they say stuff like "could it be?"
OM effin G - the GOP is trying to change the subject - THAT is where the story is being pushed so hard. Randi should have dismissed it.
capt on 07/28/2008 19:45:06
Quote by Raine:
Randi... this story is not true.
The woman herself said that he is NOT the father. Come on forgawdsake!
AND the father (not edwards) is on the birth cert? Yet they say stuff like "could it be?"
OM effin G - the GOP is trying to change the subject - THAT is where the story is being pushed so hard. Randi should have dismissed it.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 19:46:36
capt on 07/28/2008 19:46:36
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Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 19:46:48
Raine on 07/28/2008 19:46:48
I recall for a while, there was supposed t be a Michelle *whitey* tape too.
Someone is VERY scared about Edwards becoming VP.
OR... AG
Someone is VERY scared about Edwards becoming VP.
OR... AG
Comment by BobR on 07/28/2008 19:47:54
BobR on 07/28/2008 19:47:54
I got an email from our ISP saying they can move us to a different server. I requested that they do so, and so they will.
Hopefully, that will take care of the problems we've been seeing lately...
Hopefully, that will take care of the problems we've been seeing lately...
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 19:50:03
Thanks Bob, I know there is a bunch of work involved. You're the best!
capt on 07/28/2008 19:50:03
Quote by BobR:
I got an email from our ISP saying they can move us to a different server. I requested that they do so, and so they will.
Hopefully, that will take care of the problems we've been seeing lately...
Thanks Bob, I know there is a bunch of work involved. You're the best!
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 19:53:45
capt on 07/28/2008 19:53:45
The GOPhers are reduced to hypotheticals:
"If there was a tape where . . ."
"If Edwards had a love child . . ."
"If a half brother in China . . ."
"If a third cousin was a drug dealer . . ."
I think Edwards already said he wasn't interested in the VP slot. It might have been when he was still in the race for top slot but . . .
"If there was a tape where . . ."
"If Edwards had a love child . . ."
"If a half brother in China . . ."
"If a third cousin was a drug dealer . . ."
I think Edwards already said he wasn't interested in the VP slot. It might have been when he was still in the race for top slot but . . .
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 19:55:29
:rofl:
livingonli on 07/28/2008 19:55:29
Quote by capt:LATEST HEADLINES . . . . . . . . . . . .
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McCain to tour Iraq-Pakistan border . . . . . .
Bin Laden's driver pleads guilty to speeding . . . . . .
No winner in Faulkner look-alike contest . . . . . .
Plans for Flushless Friday cancelled . . . . . .
Obese propose trading calorie credits . . . . . .
Your Context Here situation worsens . . . . . .
C Students for Bush endorse McCain . . . . . .
Quandary: Karadzic finds cure for cancer . . . . . .
Tour de France ends in pool of doped blood . . . . . .
Mimes arrive for talks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
http://www.ironictimes.com/
:rofl:
Comment by 
Random on 07/28/2008 19:57:06
Random on 07/28/2008 19:57:06
Random has question, What does this mean: "My heroes have always been heroes"
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 20:02:46
I think it is a play on words - the title of a Willy Nelson song "My heroes have always been Cowboys"
capt on 07/28/2008 20:02:46
Quote by Random:
Random has question, What does this mean: "My heroes have always been heroes"
I think it is a play on words - the title of a Willy Nelson song "My heroes have always been Cowboys"
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 20:06:34
capt on 07/28/2008 20:06:34
Comment by Random on 07/28/2008 20:13:33
Random on 07/28/2008 20:13:33
Random will provide context to Quote.
Bumper sticker, with a picture of Our favorite Arizona Senator next to it.
Bumper sticker, with a picture of Our favorite Arizona Senator next to it.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 20:13:54
capt on 07/28/2008 20:13:54
Can you blame Lindsay? You know what they say about little guys? Hung like lumberjacks . .
Comment by wickedpam on 07/28/2008 20:14:03
No jet ski
wickedpam on 07/28/2008 20:14:03
Quote by capt:
The GOPhers are reduced to hypotheticals:
"If there was a tape where . . ."
"If Edwards had a love child . . ."
"If a half brother in China . . ."
"If a third cousin was a drug dealer . . ."
I think Edwards already said he wasn't interested in the VP slot. It might have been when he was still in the race for top slot but . . .
No jet ski
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 20:19:24
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 20:19:24
DAYAM!
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 20:19:40
capt on 07/28/2008 20:19:40
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by capt:
The GOPhers are reduced to hypotheticals:
"If there was a tape where . . ."
"If Edwards had a love child . . ."
"If a half brother in China . . ."
"If a third cousin was a drug dealer . . ."
I think Edwards already said he wasn't interested in the VP slot. It might have been when he was still in the race for top slot but . . .
No jet ski
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 20:21:08
velveeta jones on 07/28/2008 20:21:08
Dammit Bunny! Ya beat me to it!!
Huff
:kickcan:
Huff
:kickcan:
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 20:34:40
McCain the gaffe that keeps on giving!
capt on 07/28/2008 20:34:40
MCCAIN: I believe that, when he said that we had to leave Iraq, and we had to be out by last March, and we had to have a date certain, that was in contravention to -- and still is -- the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General David Petraeus.
***
Of course, Gen. Petraeus is not the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Admiral Mike Mullen is. That is a terrible mistake, if he really meant that. This is supposed to be his field of expertise and he has talked about Gen. Petraeus approximately one billion times.
(KOS)
McCain the gaffe that keeps on giving!
Comment by livingonli on 07/28/2008 20:37:33
livingonli on 07/28/2008 20:37:33
Heading off to catch my train so that I can go see Lizz and Rachel. See y'all later tonight when I get home.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 20:39:31
Well it can't hurt to repost it!
The casting is AMAZING!
Raine on 07/28/2008 20:39:31
Quote by velveeta jones:
Dammit Bunny! Ya beat me to it!!
Huff
:kickcan:
The casting is AMAZING!
Comment by clintster on 07/28/2008 20:40:03
clintster on 07/28/2008 20:40:03
OK, back from the first day. It was alright. We had a convocation at the local megachurch, and had Ron Clark as a guest speaker. I got to see my theatres (a black box and a mainstage), and I got a goody bag for being a newbie. Tomorrow, I get some orientation, some training, and I am off to the races.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 20:44:46
Raine on 07/28/2008 20:44:46
OMG, this caller is killing me.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 20:46:39
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 20:46:39
Tri, what aviation disaster happened on this day in 1945? I've got two mebbe three of your areas of geekery covered in this one!
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 20:47:19
Sounds like a good first Day Clint!
I am so happy for you!
Raine on 07/28/2008 20:47:19
Quote by clintster:
OK, back from the first day. It was alright. We had a convocation at the local megachurch, and had Ron Clark as a guest speaker. I got to see my theatres (a black box and a mainstage), and I got a goody bag for being a newbie. Tomorrow, I get some orientation, some training, and I am off to the races.
I am so happy for you!
Comment by TriSec on 07/28/2008 20:57:20
Without checking....the B-25 running into the Empire State Building?
TriSec on 07/28/2008 20:57:20
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, what aviation disaster happened on this day in 1945? I've got two mebbe three of your areas of geekery covered in this one!
Without checking....the B-25 running into the Empire State Building?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:00:47
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:00:47
Human Events is polishing Rush's knob for a whole week! Celebrating 20 Years o' The Pill Addled Gas Bag! I so love being on the Human Events mailing list, it is friggin hoot! :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 21:10:37
Raine on 07/28/2008 21:10:37
the deficit is 482 billion dollars...
and it doesn't include the war.
and it doesn't include the war.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:14:52
Damn, he is good! You are correct, sir! 
You know Tri, you are my dial a Av-dork/ disaster-geek/Scouting question guy. I also have two dial-a-Catholics and a couple of dial-a-jews too. Oh yeah I've got a dial-a-chemist! I'm well covered if I ever end up in the Cash Cab or on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire! As long as I need a catholic or jewish question life line!
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:14:52
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, what aviation disaster happened on this day in 1945? I've got two mebbe three of your areas of geekery covered in this one!
Without checking....the B-25 running into the Empire State Building?
Damn, he is good! You are correct, sir!
You know Tri, you are my dial a Av-dork/ disaster-geek/Scouting question guy. I also have two dial-a-Catholics and a couple of dial-a-jews too. Oh yeah I've got a dial-a-chemist! I'm well covered if I ever end up in the Cash Cab or on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire! As long as I need a catholic or jewish question life line!
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 21:17:08
capt on 07/28/2008 21:17:08
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:20:06
I've said it before and I will say it again. Best.audiocon.ever! It never fails to crack me up!
:rofl:
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:20:06
Quote by capt:Quote by Raine:
Pass this onto friends....
Why to Use Canvas bags
Well you could use THESE too?
I've said it before and I will say it again. Best.audiocon.ever! It never fails to crack me up!
:rofl:
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 21:20:23
capt on 07/28/2008 21:20:23
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 21:24:32
Raine on 07/28/2008 21:24:32
Warner Bros pulls McCain *Obama Love* video...
You know the one using the tune*you're too good to be true*?
Yeah... ONCE again, The mcCain campaign doesn't seem to understand that you have to pay ROYALTIES... otherwise it's called THEFT.
You know the one using the tune*you're too good to be true*?
Yeah... ONCE again, The mcCain campaign doesn't seem to understand that you have to pay ROYALTIES... otherwise it's called THEFT.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 21:26:58
capt on 07/28/2008 21:26:58
Quote by Raine:
Warner Bros pulls McCain *Obama Love* video...
You know the one using the tune*you're too good to be true*?
Yeah... ONCE again, The mcCain campaign doesn't seem to understand that you have to pay ROYALTIES... otherwise it's called THEFT.
Comment by Random on 07/28/2008 21:37:15
Random on 07/28/2008 21:37:15
I have Her...er...Hope...
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:38:01
Bobby vs Satan! A classic!
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:38:01
Bobby vs Satan! A classic!
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 21:46:11
:clap:
Thank you guys for posting both of these!
This is a problem with such a simple solution...
starling310 on 07/28/2008 21:46:11
Quote by capt:Quote by Raine:
Pass this onto friends....
Why to Use Canvas bags
Well you could use THESE too?
:clap:
Thank you guys for posting both of these!
This is a problem with such a simple solution...
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:46:32
Ironic that, since the GOP/ Club for Growth/ Grover Norquist types are all about the intellectual property rights. Especially for the expansion of them.
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:46:32
Quote by Raine:
Warner Bros pulls McCain *Obama Love* video...
You know the one using the tune*you're too good to be true*?
Yeah... ONCE again, The mcCain campaign doesn't seem to understand that you have to pay ROYALTIES... otherwise it's called THEFT.
Ironic that, since the GOP/ Club for Growth/ Grover Norquist types are all about the intellectual property rights. Especially for the expansion of them.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:52:10
Gee I just got four five of the "green bags" at my Publix for a dollar a piece. The hemp ones are nice but they EIGHTY DOLLARS for Cheesus sake! Plus they are not made in the US! Damn furriner taking jobs away from Muricans!
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:52:10
Quote by starling310:Quote by capt:Quote by Raine:
Pass this onto friends....
Why to Use Canvas bags
Well you could use THESE too?
:clap:
Thank you guys for posting both of these!
This is a problem with such a simple solution...
Gee I just got four five of the "green bags" at my Publix for a dollar a piece. The hemp ones are nice but they EIGHTY DOLLARS for Cheesus sake! Plus they are not made in the US! Damn furriner taking jobs away from Muricans!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:54:14
Yep it were that was just about the same time our troll du jour showed up. We are so important now, we have a troll! Sorry Random, we only have the one really impressive fanfare.
Mondobubba on 07/28/2008 21:54:14
Quote by TriSec:
Was this posted earlier?
Novak diagnosed with brain tumor
Yep it were that was just about the same time our troll du jour showed up. We are so important now, we have a troll! Sorry Random, we only have the one really impressive fanfare.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 21:57:23
It was more the idea of hemp? Not so much those specifically. Only because I am super-pro-hemp!
I'm sure the "geen bags" are a much better deal. I have no idea really just blah blah blahing . . .
capt on 07/28/2008 21:57:23
Quote by Mondobubba:
Gee I just got four five of the "green bags" at my Publix for a dollar a piece. The hemp ones are nice but they EIGHTY DOLLARS for Cheesus sake! Plus they are not made in the US! Damn furriner taking jobs away from Muricans!
It was more the idea of hemp? Not so much those specifically. Only because I am super-pro-hemp!
I'm sure the "geen bags" are a much better deal. I have no idea really just blah blah blahing . . .
Comment by Random on 07/28/2008 21:58:31
We have a troll...or are you refering to me with that troll comment?
Random on 07/28/2008 21:58:31
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Was this posted earlier?
Novak diagnosed with brain tumor
Yep it were that was just about the same time our troll du jour showed up. We are so important now, we have a troll! Sorry Random, we only have the one really impressive fanfare.
We have a troll...or are you refering to me with that troll comment?
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 22:02:18
Raine on 07/28/2008 22:02:18
You can thanks Tom Colburn for this one, in particular, but The bastahds killed the bill... wouldn't even let it come up for debate:
This is one of those situations where you cannot keep blaming the dems Each of these bills were blocked by Colburn and a number of other republicans... I posted about this a few days ago...
the Repubs filibustered, and they killed it.
[...]
“The same Republican Senator who continued to hold up passage of the ALS Registry Act has unfortunately done the same for dozens of other worthy and overwhelmingly bipartisan bills. Just a few of these bills include:
The Emmitt Till Unsolved Crimes bill – Which would help heal old wounds and provide the Department of Justice and the FBI tools needed to effectively investigate and prosecute unsolved civil rights era-murders.
The Runaway and Homeless Youth bill -- Which would provide grants for health care, education and workforce programs, and housing programs for runaways and homeless youth.
The Combating Child Exploitation bill – Which would provide grants to train law enforcement to use technology to track individuals who trade child pornography and establish an Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force.
And the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act – Which would enhance cooperation in research, rehabilitation and quality of life for people who suffer from paralysis.
“We tried to pass each of these bills separately, but those efforts have been stalled by the objection of one Senator.
“All U.S. Senators should refuse to let that senseless objection be the last word on these important measures. We have packaged these and other bills together in the Advancing America’s Priorities Act to give the Senate the chance to overcome this senseless obstructing of the nation’s business.
This is one of those situations where you cannot keep blaming the dems Each of these bills were blocked by Colburn and a number of other republicans... I posted about this a few days ago...
the Repubs filibustered, and they killed it.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 22:05:34
we had a one hit wonder troll.
Strike one for the troll. ;)
(Please remember don't feed the trolls... Management is, I assure you... on top of the situation. )
And a big thank you to everyone earlier --- you guys know how to handle them with grace and style.
Raine on 07/28/2008 22:05:34
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Was this posted earlier?
Novak diagnosed with brain tumor
Yep it were that was just about the same time our troll du jour showed up. We are so important now, we have a troll! Sorry Random, we only have the one really impressive fanfare.
We have a troll...or are you refering to me with that troll comment?
Strike one for the troll. ;)
(Please remember don't feed the trolls... Management is, I assure you... on top of the situation.
)And a big thank you to everyone earlier --- you guys know how to handle them with grace and style.
Comment by TriSec on 07/28/2008 22:09:05
TriSec on 07/28/2008 22:09:05
We have a troll??
Sorry I missed that. Well, I hope he ran upstairs screaming for his mommy with his tail tucked between his legs...
Sorry I missed that. Well, I hope he ran upstairs screaming for his mommy with his tail tucked between his legs...
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 22:12:58
Raine on 07/28/2008 22:12:58
Troll----->
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 22:15:46
Um, not me. But I do put on my JITA shields - pronto!
capt on 07/28/2008 22:15:46
you guys know how to handle them with grace and style.
Um, not me. But I do put on my JITA shields - pronto!
Comment by starling310 on 07/28/2008 22:19:19
Actually, the "Green" bags that the Grocery Store is hockin' are still Petroleum based. They are a step in the right direction, as they are re-usable. But, it's best to get bags that are manufactured in an eco-friendly way.
Mondo, there are hemp bags that are cheaper than those. And, just think...hemp is much stronger than the Poly-Fiber holding the $2 Supermarket bag together, so it will last the same amount of time as you possibly going through 3, or 4 of the other ones. So, it's less waste in the long run and they pay for themselves.
I applaud anyone who has shelled out cash to get a reusable bag( s ). If you can "upgrade" to the hemp, even better!
:nerd:
starling310 on 07/28/2008 22:19:19
Quote by capt:Quote by Mondobubba:
Gee I just got four five of the "green bags" at my Publix for a dollar a piece. The hemp ones are nice but they EIGHTY DOLLARS for Cheesus sake! Plus they are not made in the US! Damn furriner taking jobs away from Muricans!
It was more the idea of hemp? Not so much those specifically. Only because I am super-pro-hemp!
I'm sure the "geen bags" are a much better deal. I have no idea really just blah blah blahing . . .
Actually, the "Green" bags that the Grocery Store is hockin' are still Petroleum based. They are a step in the right direction, as they are re-usable. But, it's best to get bags that are manufactured in an eco-friendly way.
Mondo, there are hemp bags that are cheaper than those. And, just think...hemp is much stronger than the Poly-Fiber holding the $2 Supermarket bag together, so it will last the same amount of time as you possibly going through 3, or 4 of the other ones. So, it's less waste in the long run and they pay for themselves.
I applaud anyone who has shelled out cash to get a reusable bag( s ). If you can "upgrade" to the hemp, even better!
:nerd:
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 22:29:19
Raine on 07/28/2008 22:29:19
Tri... the lair calls you.
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 22:32:42
Raine on 07/28/2008 22:32:42
One of our grocery bags --as it is NOW called, is an old denim bad that was used for chacky stuff... you can use a lot of things for bags.
you do NOT have to use something called a grocery bag... just saying.
you do NOT have to use something called a grocery bag... just saying.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 22:32:52
capt on 07/28/2008 22:32:52
Random is not a troll - silly.
The less-than-informed poster was using the name GeorgiaTrooper or sumtin like dat!
The less-than-informed poster was using the name GeorgiaTrooper or sumtin like dat!
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 22:36:29
You mean any bag will do?
Who wooda thunk it?
capt on 07/28/2008 22:36:29
Quote by Raine:
One of our grocery bags --as it is NOW called, is an old denim bad that was used for chacky stuff... you can use a lot of things for bags.
you do NOT have to use something called a grocery bag... just saying.
You mean any bag will do?
Who wooda thunk it?
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 22:40:00
capt on 07/28/2008 22:40:00
DJIA -240 I expected it on Friday.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 22:52:03
capt on 07/28/2008 22:52:03
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 23:01:25
capt on 07/28/2008 23:01:25
If Barack picks Tim Kaine will he bring Virgina?
Barack specifically said he wants a "change agent" - I hope he picks outside the beltway. That brain truss is spend and failed - both parties.
That "Hope" ad from Moveon.org is more true day by day . . .
:xfingers:
Barack specifically said he wants a "change agent" - I hope he picks outside the beltway. That brain truss is spend and failed - both parties.
That "Hope" ad from Moveon.org is more true day by day . . .
:xfingers:
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 23:11:18
Me... I looked at that damn Ugly ass bag with 2 handles... and thought why not?
I am reminded of a line from AirPlane!
What do you make of this?
This? Well, I could make a hat or a brooch or a ...
Raine on 07/28/2008 23:11:18
Quote by capt:Quote by Raine:
One of our grocery bags --as it is NOW called, is an old denim bad that was used for chacky stuff... you can use a lot of things for bags.
you do NOT have to use something called a grocery bag... just saying.
You mean any bag will do?
Who wooda thunk it?
I am reminded of a line from AirPlane!
What do you make of this?
This? Well, I could make a hat or a brooch or a ...
Comment by Raine on 07/28/2008 23:15:39
Raine on 07/28/2008 23:15:39
Listening to Farius... Caller asking the trolls to defend what happened in Knoxeville...
I can tell you how Fauxnews is already defending this...
They are saying that the Man's ex wife was a member of the church he shot up... So THAT is why he shot it up. Yes... bobber called me from work where they have the Faux on the tv machine.
(you can take from it what you will... BUT, it sounds like Faux is trying to blame the ex wife)
According to Faux, the guy didn't want to go to the church... I shit you not.
I can tell you how Fauxnews is already defending this...
They are saying that the Man's ex wife was a member of the church he shot up... So THAT is why he shot it up. Yes... bobber called me from work where they have the Faux on the tv machine.
(you can take from it what you will... BUT, it sounds like Faux is trying to blame the ex wife)
According to Faux, the guy didn't want to go to the church... I shit you not.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 23:18:22
capt on 07/28/2008 23:18:22
Audio is a little rough until you get to 1:25 then it rocks!
The whole thing is visuals based on M-sets (Mandelbrot sets) and fractal geometry if you haven't seen "The Colours of Infinity" with Arthur C. Clarke - you may not know about M-sets. I recommend it.
You can play it on the youtubes - in six parts Part one:
The whole thing is visuals based on M-sets (Mandelbrot sets) and fractal geometry if you haven't seen "The Colours of Infinity" with Arthur C. Clarke - you may not know about M-sets. I recommend it.
You can play it on the youtubes - in six parts Part one:
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 23:26:20
capt on 07/28/2008 23:26:20
Shhh, don't tell Bunnypants McCain knows how to catch Osama . .
McCain has lost it. Period.
McCain has lost it. Period.
Comment by capt on 07/28/2008 23:49:57
capt on 07/28/2008 23:49:57
Former Chief of Medical Operations for HQ USAFE at Ramstein Air Force Base Responds to Latest McCain Ad
Maybe time for a push back ad?
"John McCain's new ad is dishonest and shameful, and I say that as the former Chief of Medical Operations. Senators Hagel and Reed confirmed to Bob Schieffer yesterday that Senator Obama visited the Combat Support Hospital in Baghdad as a part of their CODEL, with no media present.
"In Germany, Senator Obama made the right decision to respect wounded troops, and the doctors and nurses doing crucial and time-sensitive work, by not making a visit that was characterized as a campaign event by the Pentagon. Senator Obama should be thanked for putting our military above politics. And, I would hope that John McCain would think in those same terms, the next time he is put in a similar situation.
"Senator Obama has voted for the troops when John McCain has not, most recently on the new GI Bill. I am happy that Senator Obama puts the welfare of our troops above politics."
Maybe time for a push back ad?
Comment by Raine on 07/29/2008 00:25:07
Raine on 07/29/2008 00:25:07
McCain says Obama will cause the next great Depression.
I rebutted myself, the THREE presidents during and before the stock market crash we REPUBLICANS.
I rebutted myself, the THREE presidents during and before the stock market crash we REPUBLICANS.
Comment by Raine on 07/29/2008 00:26:41
Raine on 07/29/2008 00:26:41
Anthony in SWEDEN?
is that Malmo Blue?
(listening to Farius still... I should go over to KO..)
is that Malmo Blue?
(listening to Farius still... I should go over to KO..)