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Pardon me?
Author: Raine
Date: 12/08/2008 13:38:08
Less than 5 weeks. 5 weeks until we have a new administration, a new set of rules, a new lease on America. It's exciting and thrilling and hopeful and affirming. That said, there is less than 6 weeks for the current pResident to wreak havoc. Pardon me, you say? Why yes.
I am talking about the presidential power of the pardon. From Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution: I believe that the office of President is special, I believe that yes, constitutionally, that office should have certain powers that help the running of the USA. What I do not believe is that a president can pardon a person who has not yet been convicted of a crime.
In the most recent past, the power of presidential pardon has been fraught with controversy from President Ford to Bill Clinton. We hear a lot about Mark Rich, but what about Caspar Wienberger? GHW Bush Pardoned him for taking part in sending missiles to Iran in what we now know as Iran-Contra Affair. Weinberger was charged with lying to the independent counsel after he resigned in 1987. He and 6 others were pardoned by the first Bush 41, essentially stopping all investigation into Iran Contra. What is most interesting about this, is that it prevented the Bush 41 from testifying, because GHW Bush actually worked for Reagan when the Iran Contra affair happened... he was the Head of the CIA. That poses a small conflict of interest, doesn't it? Why of course it does. This is the biggest issue I have with a presidential pardon: The pre-emptive pardon.
I understand blanket pardons for people like, say, those who suceded in the Civil war, or the many who dodged the draft during Vietnam. Such gestures can prove to be cathartic to the healing of a divided nation. So I get it, I understand the power of the pardon.
Pardoning someone who has not even been charged with a crime? How can that be right? Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon for what reason exactly? He pardoned him for any crime he 'may have committed while in office. Perhaps that is my biggest issue with the presidential pardon. It isn't a partisan issue for me as so many others are, it is a fairness issue. I believe that if a president is to grant a pardon they should at a minimum 1) be charged with a crime, and 2) not have the ability to pardon anyone from within their own administration. I could try to add something about previous bosses, etc, but I think you get the point.
As we wait during these final few weeks of the 43rd Presidency of the United States of America, I believe that regardless of who is in office, it is time to contemplate a constitutional amendment to the pardon powers as described in our constitution. No one person should be able to pardon a person not even charged with a crime, and it is especially obscene to give one person the power to absolve himself of being criminally involved with a crime.
There is good news: Jerrold Nadler (D) NY, has introduced a bill to constitutionally amend the Pardon Power of the POTUS. It also asks that the POTUS should not issue pardons to senior members of his administration during the final 90 days of his term of office. I can get behind this.
I understand that it would require passage by by a two-thirds vote of both the Senate and the House and then be ratified by three-fourths of the states, but it seems to me that it would go a long way in removing the partisanship that can be woefully abused by the Commander in Chief. I do not care what letter is next to said person's name. I feel strongly about limiting the power of a pre-emptive pardon, ESPECIALLY if no one has been charged with a crime. Our constitution is lovely, but not perfect, and I believe that this is an issue that we as a nation need to look at, in the interest of the spirit of our constitution.
Limit the power of the Presidential pardon.
:peace: and
Raine
I am talking about the presidential power of the pardon. From Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution:
Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
In the most recent past, the power of presidential pardon has been fraught with controversy from President Ford to Bill Clinton. We hear a lot about Mark Rich, but what about Caspar Wienberger? GHW Bush Pardoned him for taking part in sending missiles to Iran in what we now know as Iran-Contra Affair. Weinberger was charged with lying to the independent counsel after he resigned in 1987. He and 6 others were pardoned by the first Bush 41, essentially stopping all investigation into Iran Contra. What is most interesting about this, is that it prevented the Bush 41 from testifying, because GHW Bush actually worked for Reagan when the Iran Contra affair happened... he was the Head of the CIA. That poses a small conflict of interest, doesn't it? Why of course it does. This is the biggest issue I have with a presidential pardon: The pre-emptive pardon.
I understand blanket pardons for people like, say, those who suceded in the Civil war, or the many who dodged the draft during Vietnam. Such gestures can prove to be cathartic to the healing of a divided nation. So I get it, I understand the power of the pardon.
Pardoning someone who has not even been charged with a crime? How can that be right? Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon for what reason exactly? He pardoned him for any crime he 'may have committed while in office. Perhaps that is my biggest issue with the presidential pardon. It isn't a partisan issue for me as so many others are, it is a fairness issue. I believe that if a president is to grant a pardon they should at a minimum 1) be charged with a crime, and 2) not have the ability to pardon anyone from within their own administration. I could try to add something about previous bosses, etc, but I think you get the point.
As we wait during these final few weeks of the 43rd Presidency of the United States of America, I believe that regardless of who is in office, it is time to contemplate a constitutional amendment to the pardon powers as described in our constitution. No one person should be able to pardon a person not even charged with a crime, and it is especially obscene to give one person the power to absolve himself of being criminally involved with a crime.
There is good news: Jerrold Nadler (D) NY, has introduced a bill to constitutionally amend the Pardon Power of the POTUS. It also asks that the POTUS should not issue pardons to senior members of his administration during the final 90 days of his term of office. I can get behind this.
I understand that it would require passage by by a two-thirds vote of both the Senate and the House and then be ratified by three-fourths of the states, but it seems to me that it would go a long way in removing the partisanship that can be woefully abused by the Commander in Chief. I do not care what letter is next to said person's name. I feel strongly about limiting the power of a pre-emptive pardon, ESPECIALLY if no one has been charged with a crime. Our constitution is lovely, but not perfect, and I believe that this is an issue that we as a nation need to look at, in the interest of the spirit of our constitution.
Limit the power of the Presidential pardon.
:peace: and
Raine
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Comment by 
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 13:47:16
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 13:47:16
Morning Raine - and - AMEN!! Well done :clap:
And you were kind enough to the *resident to not mention the DOJ guidelines - AND his failure to follow them - in politically charged situations. See Scooter Libby.
That is the problem with "guidelines" - they aren't Constitutionally required...
And you were kind enough to the *resident to not mention the DOJ guidelines - AND his failure to follow them - in politically charged situations. See Scooter Libby.
That is the problem with "guidelines" - they aren't Constitutionally required...
Comment by 
Raine on 12/08/2008 13:53:40
Raine on 12/08/2008 13:53:40
Why, Thank you Shane. Believe me I was tempted to mention scoot-y poot, trust me... 
Comment by 
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 13:54:10
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 13:54:10
Morning! :hug:
Getting ready to pull names for Blogger Joe - so make sure you have your name and address to me by 10am :D
Getting ready to pull names for Blogger Joe - so make sure you have your name and address to me by 10am :D
Comment by Shane-O on 12/08/2008 13:58:37
Wouldn't it be great to have a new Constitutional Convention?
As envisioned by the way-less partisan founders?
I love your idea - but I fear that the closely divided, and SHARPLY divided electorate we have now makes ANY amendment to the Constitution almost impossible.
Hell - the Senate can't even get cloture on an auto company loan program!!! HA!
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 13:58:37
Quote by Raine:
Why, Thank you Shane. Believe me I was tempted to mention scoot-y poot, trust me...
Wouldn't it be great to have a new Constitutional Convention?
As envisioned by the way-less partisan founders?
I love your idea - but I fear that the closely divided, and SHARPLY divided electorate we have now makes ANY amendment to the Constitution almost impossible.
Hell - the Senate can't even get cloture on an auto company loan program!!! HA!
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 13:59:07
Raine on 12/08/2008 13:59:07
Mala do you still have our Addresses, or should I send them to again?
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 14:02:52
I would LOVE a constitutional convention.
I know what you mean about the divided electorate, but I kinda have a feeling that the division would actually work in this case... there are an AWFUL lot of scared folks right now, that would go for it, with the idea of Obama pardoning a million people in 4 years... I think that a properly worded amendment would be quite welcome to Americans.
I think that is a problem with the Nadler Bill, it just sounds too partisan due to it mentioning the current administration. I think the case can be made without the mention of any POTUS.
Raine on 12/08/2008 14:02:52
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Why, Thank you Shane. Believe me I was tempted to mention scoot-y poot, trust me...
Wouldn't it be great to have a new Constitutional Convention?
As envisioned by the way-less partisan founders?
I love your idea - but I fear that the closely divided, and SHARPLY divided electorate we have now makes ANY amendment to the Constitution almost impossible.
Hell - the Senate can't even get cloture on an auto company loan program!!! HA!
I know what you mean about the divided electorate, but I kinda have a feeling that the division would actually work in this case... there are an AWFUL lot of scared folks right now, that would go for it, with the idea of Obama pardoning a million people in 4 years... I think that a properly worded amendment would be quite welcome to Americans.
I think that is a problem with the Nadler Bill, it just sounds too partisan due to it mentioning the current administration. I think the case can be made without the mention of any POTUS.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:07:41
Unless it's change since someone sent it too me a couple of days ago - think I got it :p
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:07:41
Quote by Raine:
Mala do you still have our Addresses, or should I send them to again?
Unless it's change since someone sent it too me a couple of days ago - think I got it :p
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:08:58
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:08:58
ask him is he's gonna do the Mole again :p
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 14:09:14
mmkay!
Raine on 12/08/2008 14:09:14
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mala do you still have our Addresses, or should I send them to again?
Unless it's change since someone sent it too me a couple of days ago - think I got it :p
mmkay!
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:12:16
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:12:16
I missed the set up - Shane-O why the Scooby song? :scratchhead:
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:13:05
:hug:
I do need to know if I should list you as Ms. K or Ms. R
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:13:05
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mala do you still have our Addresses, or should I send them to again?
Unless it's change since someone sent it too me a couple of days ago - think I got it :p
mmkay!
:hug:
I do need to know if I should list you as Ms. K or Ms. R
Comment by Shane-O on 12/08/2008 14:15:10
Scooby Doo "Where Are You?" -- Bushy Doo "Where Are You?"
Lack of leadership -- course, if I have to 'splain -- not funny...
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 14:15:10
Quote by wickedpam:
I missed the set up - Shane-O why the Scooby song? :scratchhead:
Scooby Doo "Where Are You?" -- Bushy Doo "Where Are You?"
Lack of leadership -- course, if I have to 'splain -- not funny...
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:15:59
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:15:59
when did we start decoracting for the King holiday?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:17:23
oh no
it wasn't that I just came in the last few seconds and I didn't hear the start
:hug:
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:17:23
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by wickedpam:
I missed the set up - Shane-O why the Scooby song? :scratchhead:
Scooby Doo "Where Are You?" -- Bushy Doo "Where Are You?"
Lack of leadership -- course, if I have to 'splain -- not funny...
oh no
it wasn't that I just came in the last few seconds and I didn't hear the start:hug:
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 14:18:43
I still miss him... 28 years ago today he was taken from us.
Raine on 12/08/2008 14:18:43
I still miss him... 28 years ago today he was taken from us.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:19:24
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:19:24
I have to say - I agree with Thom on the subject of that sign. It was a lovely setiment up until they decided to try and rub it in peoples faces.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 14:22:39
I am Ms. K
Raine on 12/08/2008 14:22:39
Quote by wickedpam:
:hug:
I do need to know if I should list you as Ms. K or Ms. R
I am Ms. K
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:28:03
duely noted :D
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:28:03
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
:hug:
I do need to know if I should list you as Ms. K or Ms. R
I am Ms. K
duely noted :D
Comment by 
TriSec on 12/08/2008 14:33:34
TriSec on 12/08/2008 14:33:34
Morning, comrades!
Typo police for Ms. Raine: Did you meane "those that seceded" during the Civil War? Because "those that succeeded" would be the Union Army....
Typo police for Ms. Raine: Did you meane "those that seceded" during the Civil War? Because "those that succeeded" would be the Union Army....
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 14:34:51
We put up our tree this weekend, so we're all set for Balthazar, Gaspar, and Melchior.
Or did you not mean those kings?
TriSec on 12/08/2008 14:34:51
Quote by wickedpam:
when did we start decoracting for the King holiday?
We put up our tree this weekend, so we're all set for Balthazar, Gaspar, and Melchior.
Or did you not mean those kings?
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 14:36:45
Raine on 12/08/2008 14:36:45
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 14:37:52
Oh dear!
Thanks triSec! (unintentional Irony alert... I have officially lived too long in the south!)
Raine on 12/08/2008 14:37:52
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!
Typo police for Ms. Raine: Did you meane "those that seceded" during the Civil War? Because "those that succeeded" would be the Union Army....
Oh dear!
Thanks triSec! (unintentional Irony alert... I have officially lived too long in the south!)
Comment by 
starling310 on 12/08/2008 14:39:07
starling310 on 12/08/2008 14:39:07
Morning all. Good shite! It's cold here in the Northeast. Oi.
I have my home desk set up directly in front of the pellet stove. Mmmmm....waaarm.
I have my home desk set up directly in front of the pellet stove. Mmmmm....waaarm.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:39:39
Nope, not even the Wenselas - more like the MLK holiday ;)
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:39:39
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
when did we start decoracting for the King holiday?
We put up our tree this weekend, so we're all set for Balthazar, Gaspar, and Melchior.
Or did you not mean those kings?
Nope, not even the Wenselas - more like the MLK holiday ;)
Comment by Shane-O on 12/08/2008 14:40:29
OK - that's the funniest typo, correction and response EVA! -- I'm dyin' :rofl:
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 14:40:29
Quote by Raine:Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!
Typo police for Ms. Raine: Did you meane "those that seceded" during the Civil War? Because "those that succeeded" would be the Union Army....
Oh dear!
Thanks triSec! (unintentional Irony alert... I have officially lived too long in the south!)
OK - that's the funniest typo, correction and response EVA! -- I'm dyin' :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 14:41:01
Raine on 12/08/2008 14:41:01
Unfortunate typo fixed... (see below for details... )
Comment by 
Scoopster on 12/08/2008 14:41:10
Scoopster on 12/08/2008 14:41:10
Morning all! 
Wheeee today should be a fun day at the office. We're re-drawing the tourism regions of New England for the website redesign! And no input allowed from silly state tourism boards either!
Oh hey.. traffic widget says Providence is in the house! :banana:
Wheeee today should be a fun day at the office. We're re-drawing the tourism regions of New England for the website redesign! And no input allowed from silly state tourism boards either!Oh hey.. traffic widget says Providence is in the house! :banana:
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:41:17
:spit: That makes an entirely different spin on it
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 14:41:17
Quote by Raine:Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!
Typo police for Ms. Raine: Did you meane "those that seceded" during the Civil War? Because "those that succeeded" would be the Union Army....
Oh dear!
Thanks triSec! (unintentional Irony alert... I have officially lived too long in the south!)
:spit: That makes an entirely different spin on it
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 14:48:59
Oh, that's easy!
Inside Route 128: Most Historic Area Of America
Western Mass: Foliage
Vermont: Cheese
NH/Maine: Cows
Rhode Island: ?
Connecticut: New Yorkers
There, map done!
TriSec on 12/08/2008 14:48:59
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all!
Oh hey.. traffic widget says Providence is in the house! :banana:
Oh, that's easy!
Inside Route 128: Most Historic Area Of America
Western Mass: Foliage
Vermont: Cheese
NH/Maine: Cows
Rhode Island: ?
Connecticut: New Yorkers
There, map done!
Comment by 
BobR on 12/08/2008 14:54:51
BobR on 12/08/2008 14:54:51
The personification of big brass ones... or chutzpah... or hubris... pick your own adjective.
douchebag works too.
douchebag works too.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 14:55:58
Raine on 12/08/2008 14:55:58
So, about the Wall Street bailout...
That's right, the sitdown strike may have been prevented had BoA not cut off the credit...
That was kinba the effing idea of the bailout, right???
:rage:
After the Bank of America -- a $25-billion recipient of Bailout Czar Hank Paulson's "Wall Street First" largesse -- cut off operating credit to the Republic Windows and Doors company, executives of the firm announced Friday that they were shutting its factory in Chicago.
Instead of going home to a dismal Holiday season like hundreds of thousands of other working Americans who have fallen victim to the corporate "reduction-in-force" frenzy of recent weeks -- which has seen suddenly-secure banks pocket federal dollars rather than loosen up credit -- the Republic workers occupied the factory where many of them had worked for decades.
Members of United Electrical Workers Local 1110, which represents 260 Republic workers, are conducting the contemporary equivalent of the 1930s sit-down strikes that led to the rapid expansion of union recognition nationwide and empowered the Roosevelt administration to enact more equitable labor laws. And, just as in the thirties, they are objecting to policies that put banks ahead of workers; stickers worn by the UE sit-down strikers read: "You got bailed out, we got sold out."
That's right, the sitdown strike may have been prevented had BoA not cut off the credit...
That was kinba the effing idea of the bailout, right???
:rage:
Comment by Scoopster on 12/08/2008 14:56:34
:lol: Well that works for me.. unfortunately they're a bunch of politicians and tourism boards involved trying to get everyone's eye on them.
Like friggin' Warwick RI. They've been bitching at us for months that they don't have their OWN REGION, separate from Providence, when the only thing they really have going for them is the damn airport (T.F. Green, aka PVD).
Scoopster on 12/08/2008 14:56:34
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all!
Oh hey.. traffic widget says Providence is in the house! :banana:
Oh, that's easy!
Inside Route 128: Most Historic Area Of America
Western Mass: Foliage
Vermont: Cheese
NH/Maine: Cows
Rhode Island: ?
Connecticut: New Yorkers
There, map done!
:lol: Well that works for me.. unfortunately they're a bunch of politicians and tourism boards involved trying to get everyone's eye on them.
Like friggin' Warwick RI. They've been bitching at us for months that they don't have their OWN REGION, separate from Providence, when the only thing they really have going for them is the damn airport (T.F. Green, aka PVD).
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 15:06:33
:rage:
This is obscene...
Raine on 12/08/2008 15:06:33
Quote by BobR:
The personification of big brass ones... or chutzpah... or hubris... pick your own adjective.
douchebag works too.
This is obscene...
Comment by Scoopster on 12/08/2008 15:15:05
Scoopster on 12/08/2008 15:15:05
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 15:15:57
Raine on 12/08/2008 15:15:57
breaking on MSNBC: Supreme Court just turned down appeal from Donofrio about Obama's birth certificate.
Comment by Shane-O on 12/08/2008 15:17:03
Crazy that it went that far ("thank you" A.J. Thomas :sarcasm:)
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 15:17:03
Quote by Raine:
breaking on MSNBC: Supreme Court just turned down appeal from Donofrio about Obama's birth certificate.
Crazy that it went that far ("thank you" A.J. Thomas :sarcasm:)
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 15:24:34
Yeah I know. I knew it would not be heard tho. Everyone seems to be going nuts, but the reality is that if it CAN get that far the SCOTUS must at least consider it.
Raine on 12/08/2008 15:24:34
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
breaking on MSNBC: Supreme Court just turned down appeal from Donofrio about Obama's birth certificate.
Crazy that it went that far ("thank you" A.J. Thomas :sarcasm:)
Yeah I know. I knew it would not be heard tho. Everyone seems to be going nuts, but the reality is that if it CAN get that far the SCOTUS must at least consider it.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 15:28:12
Raine on 12/08/2008 15:28:12
From HuffPo:
The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.
The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election. Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth _ his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject _ he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen," one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.
Donofrio also contends that two other candidates, Republican John McCain and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero, also are not natural-born citizens and thus ineligible to be president.
At least one other appeal over Obama's citizenship remains at the court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed. Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy. Federal courts in Pennsylvania have dismissed Berg's lawsuit.
The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.
The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election. Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth _ his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject _ he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen," one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.
Donofrio also contends that two other candidates, Republican John McCain and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero, also are not natural-born citizens and thus ineligible to be president.
At least one other appeal over Obama's citizenship remains at the court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed. Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy. Federal courts in Pennsylvania have dismissed Berg's lawsuit.
Comment by Shane-O on 12/08/2008 15:28:34
May I suggest "Everyone" = Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts???
Whew... that at least two of them where smart enough to STAY OUT.
As should the Senate on Minnesota... ??? Anyone???
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 15:28:34
Quote by Raine:Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
breaking on MSNBC: Supreme Court just turned down appeal from Donofrio about Obama's birth certificate.
Crazy that it went that far ("thank you" A.J. Thomas :sarcasm:)
Yeah I know. I knew it would not be heard tho. Everyone seems to be going nuts, but the reality is that if it CAN get that far the SCOTUS must at least consider it.
May I suggest "Everyone" = Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts???
Whew... that at least two of them where smart enough to STAY OUT.
As should the Senate on Minnesota... ??? Anyone???
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 15:31:43
Shane, check out who denied hearing the case.
Raine on 12/08/2008 15:31:43
Quote by Shane-O:
May I suggest "Everyone" = Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts???
Whew... that at least two of them where smart enough to STAY OUT.
As should the Senate on Minnesota... ??? Anyone???
Shane, check out who denied hearing the case.
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 15:34:44
TriSec on 12/08/2008 15:34:44
*grunt*
Well, did you hear that story on the AP about the tiny church in PA that got $2m from one of their parishoners?
So they've decided to donate a whopping $20k to some sort of missionary. So they give a paltry sum to an organization that's going to convert people to Christianity.
La de Freakin' da! How about all the hungry or homeless people in your parish? Gonna help them out, too?
This is what kills me about organized religion. Like I said about the Boston Archdiocese, "What, they couldn't sell off a piece of gold to pay for their legal fees?"
Well, did you hear that story on the AP about the tiny church in PA that got $2m from one of their parishoners?
So they've decided to donate a whopping $20k to some sort of missionary. So they give a paltry sum to an organization that's going to convert people to Christianity.
La de Freakin' da! How about all the hungry or homeless people in your parish? Gonna help them out, too?
This is what kills me about organized religion. Like I said about the Boston Archdiocese, "What, they couldn't sell off a piece of gold to pay for their legal fees?"
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 15:36:47
Raine on 12/08/2008 15:36:47
Comment by Shane-O on 12/08/2008 15:38:07
Damn - Raine - please tell me which - cuz my comp keep freezing up with adobe... please!!!
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 15:38:07
Quote by Raine:Quote by Shane-O:
May I suggest "Everyone" = Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts???
Whew... that at least two of them where smart enough to STAY OUT.
As should the Senate on Minnesota... ??? Anyone???
Shane, check out who denied hearing the case.
Damn - Raine - please tell me which - cuz my comp keep freezing up with adobe... please!!!
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 15:43:53
Raine on 12/08/2008 15:43:53
Quote by Shane-O:
Damn - Raine - please tell me which - cuz my comp keep freezing up with adobe... please!!!
The application for stay addressed to Justice Thomas and referred to the Court is denied.
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 15:47:59
TriSec on 12/08/2008 15:47:59
*snort*
Ya know, for $10, I'll create a fancy commemorative certificate, and we'll record your star name in the International Registry of Four Freedoms for future reference.
[Star Registry ads appearing on NovaM again...]
Ya know, for $10, I'll create a fancy commemorative certificate, and we'll record your star name in the International Registry of Four Freedoms for future reference.
[Star Registry ads appearing on NovaM again...]
Comment by Shane-O on 12/08/2008 15:52:19
Yah -- the Thomas referral, known. Unfortunately, no recorded votes of the other justices regarding the referral... Thanks Raine! (the pdf FINALLY came up!)
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 15:52:19
Quote by Raine:Quote by Shane-O:
Damn - Raine - please tell me which - cuz my comp keep freezing up with adobe... please!!!The application for stay addressed to Justice Thomas and referred to the Court is denied.
Yah -- the Thomas referral, known. Unfortunately, no recorded votes of the other justices regarding the referral... Thanks Raine! (the pdf FINALLY came up!)
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 15:58:24
Raine on 12/08/2008 15:58:24
Sorry for the pdf link Shane... 
I suspect we will know more details regarding the case soon, huh?
I suspect we will know more details regarding the case soon, huh?
Comment by Shane-O on 12/08/2008 16:03:21
I wish we would... often those votes (on certiorari) are "private" -- what a democracy!!!
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 16:03:21
Quote by Raine:
Sorry for the pdf link Shane...
I suspect we will know more details regarding the case soon, huh?
I wish we would... often those votes (on certiorari) are "private" -- what a democracy!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:03:29
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:03:29
Okay - Blogger Joe Addy's have gone out - if you didn't get one and you threw your name in the hat please let me know asap!
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:10:32
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:10:32
Now I get the picture Shane-O - it's very cute :lol:
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:13:20
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:13:20
That would be awesome!
I always wanted to know who they did those stop motion animations
I always wanted to know who they did those stop motion animations
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 16:15:47
TriSec on 12/08/2008 16:15:47
Chris, Rudolps' shiny new year blows a series of goats.
My top three:
Rudolph
Charlie Brown (for the music alone, it's a great album!)
The Grinch
and to a lesser degree, Santa Claus is Comin' to town and Year without a Santa Claus (Heat miser!)
My top three:
Rudolph
Charlie Brown (for the music alone, it's a great album!)
The Grinch
and to a lesser degree, Santa Claus is Comin' to town and Year without a Santa Claus (Heat miser!)
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:17:09
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:17:09
On hold! 
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:17:13
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:17:13
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:18:29
I love the Year without a Santa - Blue Christmas always makes me cry. Plus I have the Heat Miser and Cold Miser in the back window of my car
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:18:29
Quote by TriSec:
Chris, Rudolps' shiny new year blows a series of goats.
My top three:
Rudolph
Charlie Brown (for the music alone, it's a great album!)
The Grinch
and to a lesser degree, Santa Claus is Comin' to town and Year without a Santa Claus (Heat miser!)
I love the Year without a Santa - Blue Christmas always makes me cry. Plus I have the Heat Miser and Cold Miser in the back window of my car
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:19:32
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:19:32
They killed BooBoo!!!
:lol:
:lol:
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 16:26:04
TriSec on 12/08/2008 16:26:04
Mrs. TriSec is not unlike the heat miser first thing in the morning, in both look and temperment.
Don't tell her I told everyone, though!
Don't tell her I told everyone, though!
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:26:20
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:26:20
Shelagh!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:27:46
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:27:46
Shelagh!
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:36:48
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:36:48
I swear, What is going on right now on the SMS Newscast™ is the TRUE war on christmas™ --- LOL!
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:37:30
OMG...
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:37:30
Quote by TriSec:
Mrs. TriSec is not unlike the heat miser first thing in the morning, in both look and temperment.
Don't tell her I told everyone, though!
Comment by 
livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:38:55
livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:38:55
Good morning everyone.
I would like a visit from Heat Miser in my apartment because it is frickin' cold in here. It's a good time to stay under the covers because I hate the cold so much.
I would like a visit from Heat Miser in my apartment because it is frickin' cold in here. It's a good time to stay under the covers because I hate the cold so much.
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:39:13
livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:39:13
Raine! 
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:39:20
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:39:20
Raine!
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:41:02
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:41:02
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:41:28
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:41:28
:kickcan: I sux'd.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:41:46
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:41:46
Raine - did you get cut off? it got scrambly there with Steph and Chris getting disctracted
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 16:41:55
TriSec on 12/08/2008 16:41:55
Voice fun with different gasses:
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:42:05
:hug:
You were great!
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:42:05
Quote by Raine:
:kickcan: I sux'd.
:hug:
You were great!
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:42:30
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:42:30
Ohmigawd! I so know that one - it is a tearjerker
Comment by Scoopster on 12/08/2008 16:42:37
Scoopster on 12/08/2008 16:42:37
Whoa.. I'm controlling my home computer from work.
Comment by Shane-O on 12/08/2008 16:42:54
Not at all!!! -- you had a serious point (one that needed to be heard - AND WAS!) -- and they wanted to be funny.
It all worked...
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 16:42:54
Quote by Raine:
:kickcan: I sux'd.
Not at all!!! -- you had a serious point (one that needed to be heard - AND WAS!) -- and they wanted to be funny.
It all worked...
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:42:57
I think I did... I was a big ass Downer... and that is a bad thing.
I was trying to sway ... on second thought, I should have jumped in on the war on Christmas™
Oh well. I hope they let me back on. :(
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:42:57
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine - did you get cut off? it got scrambly there with Steph and Chris getting disctracted
I think I did... I was a big ass Downer... and that is a bad thing.
I was trying to sway ... on second thought, I should have jumped in on the war on Christmas™
Oh well. I hope they let me back on. :(
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:43:58
The donkey one?
I kinda liked that one.
Of course it reminds me of the Song... Dominic the Christmas Donkey.
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:43:58
Quote by wickedpam:
Ohmigawd! I so know that one - it is a tearjerker
The donkey one?
I kinda liked that one.
Of course it reminds me of the Song... Dominic the Christmas Donkey.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:44:20
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:44:20
They will! You always have valid and important information to convey. :hug:
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:46:36
livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:46:36
So, what are the Christmas specials from hell?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:46:39
haven't seen it in a long time - I swear juat about every Christmas special makes me cry.
There was one that was Charlie Brown but it was Snoopy went to live with some else other then Charlie. That one always got me right at the point when Snoopy drove away in the Taxi.
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:46:39
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Ohmigawd! I so know that one - it is a tearjerker
The donkey one?
I kinda liked that one.
Of course it reminds me of the Song... Dominic the Christmas Donkey.
haven't seen it in a long time - I swear juat about every Christmas special makes me cry.
There was one that was Charlie Brown but it was Snoopy went to live with some else other then Charlie. That one always got me right at the point when Snoopy drove away in the Taxi.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/08/2008 16:46:43
:rofl: Up here it's known as Fred the Christmas Donkey... bit of a story behind that.
Scoopster on 12/08/2008 16:46:43
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Ohmigawd! I so know that one - it is a tearjerker
The donkey one?
I kinda liked that one.
Of course it reminds me of the Song... Dominic the Christmas Donkey.
:rofl: Up here it's known as Fred the Christmas Donkey... bit of a story behind that.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:49:51
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:49:51
That seat should have been lost in Louisiana.
Sorry, he should NEVER have run again for office.
Sorry, he should NEVER have run again for office.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:51:03
personally, I agree.
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:51:03
Quote by Raine:
That seat should have been lost in Louisiana.
Sorry, he should NEVER have run again for office.
personally, I agree.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:51:25
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:51:25
Frosty Sux.
I love the year without a santa claus. I love that that Fascist the Meisterburger was taken down...
I love the year without a santa claus. I love that that Fascist the Meisterburger was taken down...
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:51:36
livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:51:36
What about the gay snowmen? Can they get married?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:53:08
I think your confusing The Year without a Santa Claus and Santa Claus is Coming to Town :hug:
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:53:08
Quote by Raine:
Frosty Sux.
I love the year without a santa claus. I love that that Fascist the Meisterburger was taken down...
I think your confusing The Year without a Santa Claus and Santa Claus is Coming to Town :hug:
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:53:24
Meisterburger was in Santa Claus is Coming to Town. Year Without a Santa Claus had Heat Miser and his brother and mother nature.
I remember I posted last year how some of the Rankin-Bass Christmas specials especially Santa Claus is Coming to Town were very reflective of the times and were very hippyesque in tone.
livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:53:24
Quote by Raine:
Frosty Sux.
I love the year without a santa claus. I love that that Fascist the Meisterburger was taken down...
Meisterburger was in Santa Claus is Coming to Town. Year Without a Santa Claus had Heat Miser and his brother and mother nature.
I remember I posted last year how some of the Rankin-Bass Christmas specials especially Santa Claus is Coming to Town were very reflective of the times and were very hippyesque in tone.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:54:52
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:54:52
sadly our business does pretty good if the economy is good or bad
Comment by Shane-O on 12/08/2008 16:56:15
HAA-PY Birthday...
"I'm Mister Heat Miser, I'm Mister Sun. I'm Mister steam Miser, I'm Mister hundred and one..."
Shane-O on 12/08/2008 16:56:15
Quote by Raine:
Frosty Sux.
I love the year without a santa claus. I love that that Fascist the Meisterburger was taken down...
HAA-PY Birthday...
"I'm Mister Heat Miser, I'm Mister Sun. I'm Mister steam Miser, I'm Mister hundred and one..."
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:58:01
damn - now that song is stuck in my head :p
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 16:58:01
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Frosty Sux.
I love the year without a santa claus. I love that that Fascist the Meisterburger was taken down...
HAA-PY Birthday...
"I'm Mister Heat Miser, I'm Mister Sun. I'm Mister steam Miser, I'm Mister hundred and one..."
damn - now that song is stuck in my head :p
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 16:58:01
Raine on 12/08/2008 16:58:01
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Frosty Sux.
I love the year without a santa claus. I love that that Fascist the Meisterburger was taken down...
HAA-PY Birthday...
"I'm Mister Heat Miser, I'm Mister Sun. I'm Mister steam Miser, I'm Mister hundred and one..."
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 16:58:16
TriSec on 12/08/2008 16:58:16
Pssst...let's not confuse the two.
Burger Meister Meister Burger was the National Socialist ruler of Sombertown in "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town"
"Year without a Santa Claus" featured the levitating southern politician with the Heat Miser vs. Snow Miser deathmatch.
"Rudolph" had no such falderall, that all took place in the north with a nattily-dressed singing snowman.
And.....my Christmas Special from Hell would have to be "The Little Drummer Boy". I have always hated that one, even since I was a small child. I never really cared much for Frosty, either.
The Charlie Brown special referenced would be when the Brown family moved to a condo with 'no dogs allowed'...Snoopy went to live with Peppermint Patty and wound up running away. (Although the title eludes me.)
Burger Meister Meister Burger was the National Socialist ruler of Sombertown in "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town"
"Year without a Santa Claus" featured the levitating southern politician with the Heat Miser vs. Snow Miser deathmatch.
"Rudolph" had no such falderall, that all took place in the north with a nattily-dressed singing snowman.
And.....my Christmas Special from Hell would have to be "The Little Drummer Boy". I have always hated that one, even since I was a small child. I never really cared much for Frosty, either.
The Charlie Brown special referenced would be when the Brown family moved to a condo with 'no dogs allowed'...Snoopy went to live with Peppermint Patty and wound up running away. (Although the title eludes me.)
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:58:43
You should be glad you're in a recession proof business.
I guess I will soon find out if TV is recession proof. Granted, it is the cheapest entertainment for some people, but when cable and satellite keep going up, what happens when people scale back their TV service to save money?
livingonli on 12/08/2008 16:58:43
Quote by wickedpam:
sadly our business does pretty good if the economy is good or bad
You should be glad you're in a recession proof business.
I guess I will soon find out if TV is recession proof. Granted, it is the cheapest entertainment for some people, but when cable and satellite keep going up, what happens when people scale back their TV service to save money?
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 16:59:30
TriSec on 12/08/2008 16:59:30
Umm...shouldn't the snow miser put on a pair of pants?
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 17:00:27
I believe you are thinking of Snoopy Come Home which was actually the second full-length film after A Boy Named Charlie Brown.
livingonli on 12/08/2008 17:00:27
Quote by TriSec:
Pssst...let's not confuse the two.
Burger Meister Meister Burger was the National Socialist ruler of Sombertown in "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town"
"Year without a Santa Claus" featured the levitating southern politician with the Heat Miser vs. Snow Miser deathmatch.
"Rudolph" had no such falderall, that all took place in the north with a nattily-dressed singing snowman.
And.....my Christmas Special from Hell would have to be "The Little Drummer Boy". I have always hated that one, even since I was a small child. I never really cared much for Frosty, either.
The Charlie Brown special referenced would be when the Brown family moved to a condo with 'no dogs allowed'...Snoopy went to live with Peppermint Patty and wound up running away. (Although the title eludes me.)
I believe you are thinking of Snoopy Come Home which was actually the second full-length film after A Boy Named Charlie Brown.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 17:00:33
I must make a correction... Year without a Santa Claus, had the Miser brothers... Children of Mother Nature (global warming anyone?)
The burgermeister... Santa Claus is coming to Town... Also one of my faves.
Yup, I like the ones that deal with Global warming a global justice...
Raine on 12/08/2008 17:00:33
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Frosty Sux.
I love the year without a santa claus. I love that that Fascist the Meisterburger was taken down...
HAA-PY Birthday...
"I'm Mister Heat Miser, I'm Mister Sun. I'm Mister steam Miser, I'm Mister hundred and one..."
I must make a correction... Year without a Santa Claus, had the Miser brothers... Children of Mother Nature (global warming anyone?)
The burgermeister... Santa Claus is coming to Town... Also one of my faves.
Yup, I like the ones that deal with Global warming a global justice...
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 17:01:13
My sincerest apologies.
Raine on 12/08/2008 17:01:13
Quote by TriSec:
Pssst...let's not confuse the two.
Burger Meister Meister Burger was the National Socialist ruler of Sombertown in "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town"
"Year without a Santa Claus" featured the levitating southern politician with the Heat Miser vs. Snow Miser deathmatch.
"Rudolph" had no such falderall, that all took place in the north with a nattily-dressed singing snowman.
And.....my Christmas Special from Hell would have to be "The Little Drummer Boy". I have always hated that one, even since I was a small child. I never really cared much for Frosty, either.
The Charlie Brown special referenced would be when the Brown family moved to a condo with 'no dogs allowed'...Snoopy went to live with Peppermint Patty and wound up running away. (Although the title eludes me.)
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 17:02:17
CALL THE FCC!!!
Raine on 12/08/2008 17:02:17
Quote by TriSec:
Umm...shouldn't the snow miser put on a pair of pants?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 17:05:20
We're not recession proof, but I think it's harder to make a dent. People who used to get things like Jadot or Cakebread now go to Two Buck Chuck
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 17:05:20
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
sadly our business does pretty good if the economy is good or bad
You should be glad you're in a recession proof business.
I guess I will soon find out if TV is recession proof. Granted, it is the cheapest entertainment for some people, but when cable and satellite keep going up, what happens when people scale back their TV service to save money?
We're not recession proof, but I think it's harder to make a dent. People who used to get things like Jadot or Cakebread now go to Two Buck Chuck
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 17:05:29
What about all the other pantsless cartoon characters?
livingonli on 12/08/2008 17:05:29
Quote by Raine:CALL THE FCC!!!Quote by TriSec:
Umm...shouldn't the snow miser put on a pair of pants?
What about all the other pantsless cartoon characters?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 17:06:28
That's it! Always frickin' makes me cry
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 17:06:28
Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec:
Pssst...let's not confuse the two.
Burger Meister Meister Burger was the National Socialist ruler of Sombertown in "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town"
"Year without a Santa Claus" featured the levitating southern politician with the Heat Miser vs. Snow Miser deathmatch.
"Rudolph" had no such falderall, that all took place in the north with a nattily-dressed singing snowman.
And.....my Christmas Special from Hell would have to be "The Little Drummer Boy". I have always hated that one, even since I was a small child. I never really cared much for Frosty, either.
The Charlie Brown special referenced would be when the Brown family moved to a condo with 'no dogs allowed'...Snoopy went to live with Peppermint Patty and wound up running away. (Although the title eludes me.)
I believe you are thinking of Snoopy Come Home which was actually the second full-length film after A Boy Named Charlie Brown.
That's it! Always frickin' makes me cry
Comment by BobR on 12/08/2008 17:07:31
THAT'S the kind of jazz I can listen to!
BobR on 12/08/2008 17:07:31
Quote by TriSec:
Charlie Brown (for the music alone, it's a great album!)
THAT'S the kind of jazz I can listen to!
Comment by BobR on 12/08/2008 17:10:00
no, but they can play with each other's snowballs...
BobR on 12/08/2008 17:10:00
Quote by livingonli:
What about the gay snowmen? Can they get married?
no, but they can play with each other's snowballs...
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 17:11:48
Raine on 12/08/2008 17:11:48
Sign a petition to Support a good Agriculture Secretary.
Part of the petition:
more at the link.
:clap:
Part of the petition:
Dear President-Elect Obama,
We congratulate you on your historic victory and welcome the change that your election promises to usher in for our nation. As leaders in the sustainable agriculture and rural advocacy community we supported you in record numbers during the caucus, primary and general election because of the family farm-friendly policies that you advocated during your campaign.
As our nation's future president, we hope that you will take our concerns under advisement when nominating our next Secretary of Agriculture because of the crucial role this Secretary will play in revitalizing our rural economies, protecting our nation's food supply and our environment, improving human health and well-being, rescuing the independent family farmer, and creating a sustainable renewable energy future.
:clap:
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 17:13:08
:rolleyes:
That wasn't too much of asnow err... softball was it?
:rofl:
Raine on 12/08/2008 17:13:08
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
What about the gay snowmen? Can they get married?
no, but they can play with each other's snowballs...
That wasn't too much of a
:rofl:
Comment by BobR on 12/08/2008 17:13:43
that is beyond disgusting, and infuriatingly criminal.
BobR on 12/08/2008 17:13:43
Quote by Raine:
KBR feeds rotten food to Troops.
that is beyond disgusting, and infuriatingly criminal.
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 17:17:29
Why aren't these fuckers in jail?
livingonli on 12/08/2008 17:17:29
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
KBR feeds rotten food to Troops.
that is beyond disgusting, and infuriatingly criminal.
Why aren't these fuckers in jail?
Comment by Scoopster on 12/08/2008 17:25:51
Hells yeah! Where's my e-pen?
Scoopster on 12/08/2008 17:25:51
Quote by Raine:
Sign a petition to Support a good Agriculture Secretary.
Part of the petition:more at the link.Dear President-Elect Obama,
We congratulate you on your historic victory and welcome the change that your election promises to usher in for our nation. As leaders in the sustainable agriculture and rural advocacy community we supported you in record numbers during the caucus, primary and general election because of the family farm-friendly policies that you advocated during your campaign.
As our nation's future president, we hope that you will take our concerns under advisement when nominating our next Secretary of Agriculture because of the crucial role this Secretary will play in revitalizing our rural economies, protecting our nation's food supply and our environment, improving human health and well-being, rescuing the independent family farmer, and creating a sustainable renewable energy future.
:clap:
Hells yeah! Where's my e-pen?
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 17:29:33
I just cannot even begin to compile a list of alll the things that this company has done. ...
Or maybe I can. I smell a blog post in the coming days.
Raine on 12/08/2008 17:29:33
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
KBR feeds rotten food to Troops.
that is beyond disgusting, and infuriatingly criminal.
Or maybe I can. I smell a blog post in the coming days.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 17:46:22
Raine on 12/08/2008 17:46:22
Thom talking about Jack Welsh...
:grumble:
He is a personal enemy of mine... From NY... GRRRRR....
:grumble:
He is a personal enemy of mine... From NY... GRRRRR....
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 12/08/2008 17:49:28
Mondobubba on 12/08/2008 17:49:28
Hello. Damn insomnia. Go about your business.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 17:52:41
Good afternoon herr Mondo, may I suggest Valerium root?
Raine on 12/08/2008 17:52:41
Quote by Mondobubba:
Hello. Damn insomnia. Go about your business.
Good afternoon herr Mondo, may I suggest Valerium root?
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 17:56:23
Raine on 12/08/2008 17:56:23
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 18:06:27
Raine on 12/08/2008 18:06:27
What do y'all think?
I am very mixed about this.
Blackbird is a new browser built on top of Mozilla technology that is supposed to make it easier for African Americans to discover relevant content on the web and to interact with other members of the African American community online by sharing stories, news, comments and videos via the browser.
The browser displays a pre-set news ticker on top, pulls in news content from Google News that might be of interest to African-Americans, and features a section with video content from online TV sites like UptownLiveTV, NSNewsTV, DigitalSoulTV and ComedyBanksTV. Other than that, there’s a lot of integration with the most popular social networks, a ‘Black Search’, preset ‘Black Bookmarks’, etc. There’s also a ‘Give Back’ program that streamlines donations to a number of non-profit organizations (Blackbird intends to donate 10% of its 2009 revenue to these partners as well).
I am very mixed about this.
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 18:07:03
It could fall under "Cool Jazz" or "Mainstream".
Note that it was recorded in 1965, before fusion was invented by Miles Davis, and before a whole lot of the avant-garde stuff of the late 60s and most of the 70s. (Prior to Mr. Marsalis trying to revitalize 'mainstream' jazz in the late 80s and most of the 90s.)
You want some good stuff to listen to, find anything from Miles' second classic quintet, anything from 1963 up to 1967. I'd skip Filles de Kilimanjaro and anything after "In a Silent Way".
TriSec on 12/08/2008 18:07:03
Quote by BobR:
THAT'S the kind of jazz I can listen to!
It could fall under "Cool Jazz" or "Mainstream".
Note that it was recorded in 1965, before fusion was invented by Miles Davis, and before a whole lot of the avant-garde stuff of the late 60s and most of the 70s. (Prior to Mr. Marsalis trying to revitalize 'mainstream' jazz in the late 80s and most of the 90s.)
You want some good stuff to listen to, find anything from Miles' second classic quintet, anything from 1963 up to 1967. I'd skip Filles de Kilimanjaro and anything after "In a Silent Way".
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 18:12:32
I understand why it came about but I don't like that it separates one community from the others. People don't live in white world or black world and so on - they live in the World.
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 18:12:32
Quote by Raine:
What do y'all think?Blackbird is a new browser built on top of Mozilla technology that is supposed to make it easier for African Americans to discover relevant content on the web and to interact with other members of the African American community online by sharing stories, news, comments and videos via the browser.
The browser displays a pre-set news ticker on top, pulls in news content from Google News that might be of interest to African-Americans, and features a section with video content from online TV sites like UptownLiveTV, NSNewsTV, DigitalSoulTV and ComedyBanksTV. Other than that, there’s a lot of integration with the most popular social networks, a ‘Black Search’, preset ‘Black Bookmarks’, etc. There’s also a ‘Give Back’ program that streamlines donations to a number of non-profit organizations (Blackbird intends to donate 10% of its 2009 revenue to these partners as well).
I am very mixed about this.
I understand why it came about but I don't like that it separates one community from the others. People don't live in white world or black world and so on - they live in the World.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/08/2008 18:15:36
I should try that too.. lord knows it's probably better and less risky than my current highball + unisom regimen.
Scoopster on 12/08/2008 18:15:36
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Hello. Damn insomnia. Go about your business.
Good afternoon herr Mondo, may I suggest Valerium root?
I should try that too.. lord knows it's probably better and less risky than my current highball + unisom regimen.
Comment by BobR on 12/08/2008 18:16:55
Oh there you go again, trying to "convert" me.... :holds up Rammstein CD as a shield:
BobR on 12/08/2008 18:16:55
Quote by TriSec:
It could fall under "Cool Jazz" or "Mainstream".
Note that it was recorded in 1965, before fusion was invented by Miles Davis, and before a whole lot of the avant-garde stuff of the late 60s and most of the 70s. (Prior to Mr. Marsalis trying to revitalize 'mainstream' jazz in the late 80s and most of the 90s.)
You want some good stuff to listen to, find anything from Miles' second classic quintet, anything from 1963 up to 1967. I'd skip Filles de Kilimanjaro and anything after "In a Silent Way".
Oh there you go again, trying to "convert" me.... :holds up Rammstein CD as a shield:
Comment by BobR on 12/08/2008 18:17:43
BobR on 12/08/2008 18:17:43
Comment by BobR on 12/08/2008 18:18:55
I couldn't have said it better!
BobR on 12/08/2008 18:18:55
Quote by wickedpam:
I understand why it came about but I don't like that it separates one community from the others. People don't live in white world or black world and so on - they live in the World.
I couldn't have said it better!
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 18:26:13
TriSec on 12/08/2008 18:26:13
*grunt*
My cellphone battery died overnight Friday, and I left my charger here at work. So my phone was off for almost 60 hours, and I have no calls, messages, or text in all that time.
Probably don't need the damn thing after all; that's a few bucks a month in the ol' "bill" department I could use elsewhere.
Either that, or I need to tie a steak to myself again so at least dogs will play with me.
:kickcan:
My cellphone battery died overnight Friday, and I left my charger here at work. So my phone was off for almost 60 hours, and I have no calls, messages, or text in all that time.
Probably don't need the damn thing after all; that's a few bucks a month in the ol' "bill" department I could use elsewhere.
Either that, or I need to tie a steak to myself again so at least dogs will play with me.
:kickcan:
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 18:29:21
livingonli on 12/08/2008 18:29:21
My cellphone isn't that active either, but then again I largely use it for emergencies. Then again, I don't want to turn into one of those people who has the cell phone almost glued to their head because they are on it so much.
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 18:30:53
: bludgeons Bob with a Tenor Sax :
TriSec on 12/08/2008 18:30:53
Quote by BobR:
Oh there you go again, trying to "convert" me.... :holds up Rammstein CD as a shield:
: bludgeons Bob with a Tenor Sax :
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 18:32:12
livingonli on 12/08/2008 18:32:12
It's now up to a balmy 28 degrees here.
Comment by BobR on 12/08/2008 18:41:20
We save money by not having a land line. That's an extra 30 bucks a month we're not spending.
Don't feel so bad though - the only calls I get are work-related or from my spouse.
BobR on 12/08/2008 18:41:20
Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
My cellphone battery died overnight Friday, and I left my charger here at work. So my phone was off for almost 60 hours, and I have no calls, messages, or text in all that time.
Probably don't need the damn thing after all; that's a few bucks a month in the ol' "bill" department I could use elsewhere.
Either that, or I need to tie a steak to myself again so at least dogs will play with me.
:kickcan:
We save money by not having a land line. That's an extra 30 bucks a month we're not spending.
Don't feel so bad though - the only calls I get are work-related or from my spouse.
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 18:42:17
livingonli on 12/08/2008 18:42:17
Verizon FiOS is already running the MLB Network even though the channel doesn't officially start until January 1st.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 18:45:05
yeah, but your sounds more fun!
Raine on 12/08/2008 18:45:05
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Hello. Damn insomnia. Go about your business.
Good afternoon herr Mondo, may I suggest Valerium root?
I should try that too.. lord knows it's probably better and less risky than my current highball + unisom regimen.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/08/2008 18:45:10
wickedpam on 12/08/2008 18:45:10
Tri - my celly doesn't ring that often either. If I was still 16 that thing would be attached to my head.
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 18:47:25
TriSec on 12/08/2008 18:47:25
Well, Bob....I suppose I could always steer you to some Downtempo or Trip-Hop...
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 19:10:49
TriSec on 12/08/2008 19:10:49
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 19:22:19
livingonli on 12/08/2008 19:22:19
Headline News was just showing the new panda at the Atlanta Zoo.
Comment by BobR on 12/08/2008 19:56:23
no, that does nothing for me. I'll stick with the older stuff.
BobR on 12/08/2008 19:56:23
Quote by TriSec:
Well, Bob....I suppose I could always steer you to some Downtempo or Trip-Hop...
no, that does nothing for me. I'll stick with the older stuff.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 20:05:46
Raine on 12/08/2008 20:05:46
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 20:25:12
Raine on 12/08/2008 20:25:12
An F-18 fighter jet has crashed in a San Diego home but it is unclear if there are any casualties on the ground - They are reporting that the pilot ejected before hitting the building. no word on casualties.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 20:26:05
Raine on 12/08/2008 20:26:05
HA!!! Randi is talking about the BoA story!
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 20:35:18
TriSec on 12/08/2008 20:35:18
Christmas Lounge
(OK, this is really for Scoop.)
From Soma FM: "Christmas Lounge: Chilled holiday grooves and classic winter lounge tracks. (Kid and Parent safe!)"
(OK, this is really for Scoop.)
From Soma FM: "Christmas Lounge: Chilled holiday grooves and classic winter lounge tracks. (Kid and Parent safe!)"
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 20:41:31
I am sure this too will be denied without comment... however, I am REALLY unconfortable with Scalia, of all people moving it to 12.12/08.
Give me the heebs, big time.
Raine on 12/08/2008 20:41:31
No. 08A469
Title: Cort Wrotnowski, Applicant
v.
Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of State
Docketed:
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of Connecticut
Case Nos.: (SC 18264)
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 25 2008 Application (08A469) for stay and/or injunction, submitted to Justice Ginsburg.
Nov 26 2008 Application (08A469) denied by Justice Ginsburg.
Nov 29 2008 Application (08A469) refiled and submitted to Justice Scalia.
Dec 8 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 12, 2008.
Dec 8 2008 Application (08A469) referred to the Court by Justice Scalia.
Give me the heebs, big time.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 20:46:18
Raine on 12/08/2008 20:46:18
December 15 is the Electoral college selection.... so I find it even more interesting that he moved that case to the 12th.
That was a very very bad day.
That was a very very bad day.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 20:54:31
I have been reading about them, but that account is really amazing.
Raine on 12/08/2008 20:54:31
Quote by Scoopster:
Did anyone else hear about the riots in Athens, Greece?
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 20:56:52
BBC Link.
Raine on 12/08/2008 20:56:52
Quote by Raine:
An F-18 fighter jet has crashed in a San Diego home but it is unclear if there are any casualties on the ground - They are reporting that the pilot ejected before hitting the building. no word on casualties.
BBC Link.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 21:17:41
Raine on 12/08/2008 21:17:41
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 21:20:21
Raine on 12/08/2008 21:20:21
KKKarl Rove is gonna name name in new book...
What an asshat. I hope he pisses a WHOLE lotta people off, I really do. Seriously, he is gonna write a book calling out people who were mean to his wanna be lover.
He reminds me of an evil smithers.
What an asshat. I hope he pisses a WHOLE lotta people off, I really do. Seriously, he is gonna write a book calling out people who were mean to his wanna be lover.
He reminds me of an evil smithers.
Comment by BobR on 12/08/2008 21:21:57
This is more to my liking (although I like the original studio recording better):
I have the sheet music for it (for a "piano solo" version) and I used to be able to stumble through most of it... :shrug:
BobR on 12/08/2008 21:21:57
Quote by TriSec:
Well, Bob....I suppose I could always steer you to some Downtempo or Trip-Hop...
This is more to my liking (although I like the original studio recording better):
I have the sheet music for it (for a "piano solo" version) and I used to be able to stumble through most of it... :shrug:
Comment by TriSec on 12/08/2008 21:32:53
TriSec on 12/08/2008 21:32:53
Mr. Kenton. Excellent choice. There's hope for you yet.
Comment by 
Random on 12/08/2008 21:40:13
Random on 12/08/2008 21:40:13
Random is confused on a global scale.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 21:47:01
How come?
Raine on 12/08/2008 21:47:01
Quote by Random:
Random is confused on a global scale.
How come?
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 21:54:20
livingonli on 12/08/2008 21:54:20
I wonder if the Tribune Company's bankruptcy is a sign that the demise of newspapers is at hand especially considering the number of large papers and TV stations that they own.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 22:02:20
I think that is part of it.
I also think that they simply need to do better at selling papers... we were talking about this the other day... perhaps instead of directing people to the website, they would behoove themselves to do serious indepth reporting and drive people back to the papers.
Just a thought. The reality is with things like NBC laying of news staff is that media needs to start driving the stories once again.
Raine on 12/08/2008 22:02:20
Quote by livingonli:
I wonder if the Tribune Company's bankruptcy is a sign that the demise of newspapers is at hand especially considering the number of large papers and TV stations that they own.
I also think that they simply need to do better at selling papers... we were talking about this the other day... perhaps instead of directing people to the website, they would behoove themselves to do serious indepth reporting and drive people back to the papers.
Just a thought. The reality is with things like NBC laying of news staff is that media needs to start driving the stories once again.
Comment by livingonli on 12/08/2008 22:03:41
livingonli on 12/08/2008 22:03:41
Time for me to go into the city tonight to see another Shoot the Messenger show. I have been hearing rumors that this may be the last one.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 22:25:38
you see this woman?
do you recognize this woman?
Click this link.
Now you understand what that loud OMFG scream was a moment ago.
Raine on 12/08/2008 22:25:38
you see this woman?
do you recognize this woman?
Click this link.
Now you understand what that loud OMFG scream was a moment ago.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 23:13:45
Raine on 12/08/2008 23:13:45
The Nanny kilt the blog.
I suspect this is what would happen is she actually won.
Altho in hindsite -- we could have used her voice when the Repubs were in power... they would have given in to EVERY ONE of her fillibusters.
I suspect this is what would happen is she actually won.
Altho in hindsite -- we could have used her voice when the Repubs were in power... they would have given in to EVERY ONE of her fillibusters.
Comment by Raine on 12/08/2008 23:36:06
Raine on 12/08/2008 23:36:06
Ever wish songs just sang what was happening in the music video? Well now they do.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/08/2008 23:43:47
Scoopster on 12/08/2008 23:43:47
I could swear that was done by Weird Al..
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2008 00:05:24
Raine on 12/09/2008 00:05:24
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2008 00:06:14
Hey... it was just as brilliant.
Raine on 12/09/2008 00:06:14
Quote by Scoopster:
I could swear that was done by Weird Al..
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/09/2008 00:14:21
Woo! Long day of studying and the flaven! Why yes I will be making with the vallarian root tonight. For tomorrow there is more studying, and then singing, dancing, foul mouthed puppets tomorrow evening.
Mondobubba on 12/09/2008 00:14:21
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Hello. Damn insomnia. Go about your business.
Good afternoon herr Mondo, may I suggest Valerium root?
Woo! Long day of studying and the flaven! Why yes I will be making with the vallarian root tonight. For tomorrow there is more studying, and then singing, dancing, foul mouthed puppets tomorrow evening.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/09/2008 00:27:27
Not work safe, but HILARIOUS!
Mondobubba on 12/09/2008 00:27:27
Not work safe, but HILARIOUS!
Comment by Random on 12/09/2008 00:38:11
Wow...she's kind of hot now.
Random on 12/09/2008 00:38:11
Quote by Raine:
you see this woman?
do you recognize this woman?
Click this link.
Now you understand what that loud OMFG scream was a moment ago.
Wow...she's kind of hot now.
Comment by Random on 12/09/2008 00:39:09
Random on 12/09/2008 00:39:09
Random doesn't know what to get for blogger joe...so many things, so little time.
Comment by Random on 12/09/2008 01:25:40
Random on 12/09/2008 01:25:40
Is it something i said that killed the blog?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/09/2008 01:34:56
Mondobubba on 12/09/2008 01:34:56
Congnative dissonance. Ron Howard on Rachel Maddow.
Comment by Raine on 12/09/2008 01:52:17
Raine on 12/09/2008 01:52:17
No Random. you did not kill the blog...
Altho I am disturbed that you find the Nanny hot.... :rofl;
ok, not really, I kinda see what you are saying... But her voice! for the love of goawd!!!.
Anywhoo.. New blog is up.
Hope it makes sense. I have been thinking about this bailout thing lately, and This dude is on my list.
Altho I am disturbed that you find the Nanny hot.... :rofl;
ok, not really, I kinda see what you are saying... But her voice! for the love of goawd!!!.
Anywhoo.. New blog is up.
Hope it makes sense. I have been thinking about this bailout thing lately, and This dude is on my list.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 12/09/2008 04:13:20
What Shane--O said. Unfortunately for you, they were deep in silly mode, but you got your point across despite that. You were great!
trojanrabbit on 12/09/2008 04:13:20
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
:kickcan: I sux'd.
Not at all!!! -- you had a serious point (one that needed to be heard - AND WAS!) -- and they wanted to be funny.
It all worked...
What Shane--O said. Unfortunately for you, they were deep in silly mode, but you got your point across despite that. You were great!
Comment by Random on 12/09/2008 12:58:58
See if i get you anything for blooger joe now.
Random on 12/09/2008 12:58:58
Quote by Raine:
No Random. you did not kill the blog...
Altho I am disturbed that you find the Nanny hot.... :rofl;
ok, not really, I kinda see what you are saying... But her voice! for the love of goawd!!!.
Anywhoo.. New blog is up.
Hope it makes sense. I have been thinking about this bailout thing lately, and This dude is on my list.
See if i get you anything for blooger joe now.