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HELP is on the way...
Author: BobR    Date: 06/10/2009 12:30:29

For a long time now, healthcare has been a big problem in the United States. We are the only industrialized nation that still does not provide public coverage for its citizens. We tried back in 1993, but the attempt was bungled so badly that it has not been seriously considered since. Now that we once again have a Congress and White House in Democratic hands, it's time to try again, and - hopefully - get it right this time.

Yesterday, the House Democrats released the first draft of the Healthcare reform bill:
House Democratic leaders gave members their first glimpse of their version of President Obama’s healthcare overhaul on Tuesday, with liberals leaving the meeting happy and centrist Democrats walking away skeptical.

The outline put forth lacked many of the details that will decide the fate of the overhaul — notably, how the proposal would be paid for. But it made good on the commitment Obama and Democratic leaders made to include a government-run "public option."

A public option for healthcare insurance is essential for liberals in the caucus. Blue Dogs and New Democrats got less of what they wanted. Most notably, the plan ignores Blue Dogs' call for a government plan to be a "fallback option," if reform of private healthcare doesn’t work.

The article refers to it as the HELP bill, which shows that Dems are finally getting wise to the game of properly naming things. Then again - it may just be named that because it came from the HELP committee.

Naturally, the Republicans (and some conservative Democrats) are against it:
Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) took to the House floor on Tuesday to question the public plan being advocated by Democrats.

"The forthcoming plan from Democratic leaders will make healthcare more expensive, limit treatments, ration care and put bureaucrats in charge of medical decisions rather than patients and doctors," he said. "That amounts to a government takeover of healthcare, and it will hurt, rather than help, middle-class families across our country."

Some Democrats also have reservations.

As noted in a first-person essay by a Canadian, these are the same myths that they propagate about the Canadian system, and are easily debunked, if people would simply pay attention.

  1. Expense: The biggest waste of money in the healthcare system today is the private insurance middleman. Bad investments, high CEO pay, and the need to maintain a profit add costs that would be removed with a government-run "insurance" program. It would also eliminate the need for the uninsured to use emergency rooms for routine healthcare.

  2. Limit treatments: I've never heard a clear explanation of how this would be the case. It would actually increase treatments, because you wouldn't have some private insurance bean-counter saying "no, we're not going to pay for that".

  3. Ration care: ditto.

  4. Put bureaucrats in charge of medical decisions rather than patients and doctors: This is the biggest joke of all for anyone who has medical insurance. Insurance companies put out lists of procedures that they will and won't cover, and how much (Chiropractic? not covered. Mental Health? 20 visits per year max). A properly created public option insurance coverage would remove those limits. You'd actually get the middleman OUT of the medical decision process, and put it back where it belongs - with the patients and the doctors.
(there are other debunked myths at the link...)

The one remaining sticking point is "how would it be paid for?", and the answer is the one no one wants to say out loud: raise taxes. However, this could be offset in two ways. First, people that choose the public option would no longer be paying for their share of public insurance out of their paychecks (does any company pay 100% of the premiums anymore?). Some companies may choose to remove medical insurance coverage from their benefits packages completely, and pass the savings on to their employees, which would also offset the tax increase.

The second option could be to offer a tax credit to those that don't want a "bureaucrat making their medical decisions", and would rather go with a private insurance option. To get the credit, they would have to provide proof of coverage with a private provider.

Of course - I am not a legislator, and there is no telling what we'll end up with once the Republicans and conservaDems get their stank all over the bill. I just hope it doesn't get compromised to the point that it's destined to fail upon implementation and make the doom-and-gloom prognosticator's warnings come true.

 

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Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2009 13:11:19
Morning :hug:

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2009 13:19:53
Ah, some personal experiences to share on some of this.



Back in the day (25 years ago now), I broke into the healthcare industry with Bay State Health Care. After a couple of years, I moved on to Harvard Community Health Plan. In those days, if you worked for the insurance company, you got it for free. I think it was around 1990 or so that the "split" started working its way in. Children's Hospital in Boston pays 90% of the cost....but the going ratio these days in this city is 70/30.



About ten years ago, I used to be one of those "bean counters" (my Sith days.) I used to chair an "appeals committee" and we took great pride in reading the sob stories and denying the appeals anyway. We didn't get a bonus per se, but we kept the company profitable.



One thing I hear over and over again is that countries that have a public option also have a private option for healthcare insurance. The caveat there is no company that provides public healthcare can be for-profit. That hasn't been addressed in any US plan yet.





Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2009 13:27:19
The other things to worry about in a national plan would be what's covered? Like Bob said, many plans exclude or limit benefits on a whole host of things. Most common is Mental Health, which has a set number of visits per year, or other things like Chiropractice or alternate treatments that have long been considered "experimental". (Like Lasics; I could see better if I got it, but nobody will pay for it.) There's also the dreaded "pre-existing condition", where if you're on a plan and get diagnosed with say diabetes, you'd be covered only as long as you stay on that plan. Lose your job and be forced to change insurance carriers, and they can legally deny any and all claims related to that diabetes diagnosis, because you had it before you joined the plan and they don't want to pay for it.



There's a huge list of questions that still need to be looked at. Getting healthcare is going to be a long, painful slog, and the haters are going to be doing everything in their power to trip us up at every step.



But they still operate on the theory that the sick will simply die, thus decreasing the surplus population, and the corporations can pocket the difference.



Comment by velveeta jones on 06/10/2009 13:35:30
Good morning all.



Great blog BobR and excellent input from TriSec who seems to know a thing or two about this. :P

I too am worried about "pre existing conditions" and under funding mental health needs.



I would like to also see something else addressed that can keep our health care costs down. There is evidence that processed and junk food can contribute to more than just diabetes, heart attacks and obesity but mental health issues as well, i.e. depression and anger/violence. If we move towards a national health plan we need to educate the public on how to take care of ourselves better! One step: stop serving junk food in our schools!!

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2009 13:55:36
Nice Blog. Thanks for that Bobbber.



For the life of me the idea of a trigger makes no sense at all.

Comment by Random on 06/10/2009 13:56:04
Brought to you by Skittles.

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2009 13:56:55
Thanks - I would like for us (as a nation) to have an intelligent conversation about this so that we get the best solution. The problem is overcoming the blanket lies and fear-mongering from the right-wing. Addressing that is something we all can and must do if there's any chance of this succeeding.

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2009 13:58:44
Say gang....it's my anniversary today. Graduated ol' Saugus High School 25 years ago today.



In the middle of a multi-day New England heat wave. Curiously, today was the only day of that stretch that didn't set a record, but it was still 95º.





Comment by velveeta jones on 06/10/2009 13:59:37
Well BobR, many of the Rethugs here in the south are very poor and under/not insured. So, I think the majority of them want some sort of national HC plan. They just aren't very vocal about it.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2009 14:07:02
WHAT? is that Regulation I smell? Obama Admin To Issue New Wall Street Pay Limits!

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2009 14:11:09
Oh, another thing I've pointed out elsewhere; we *almost* have a de facto national healthcare system.



Blue Cross is in all 50 states and Canada, and they have a very well thought out system to make sure your claim is routed to the home plan to make sure it gets paid and processed correctly, and United Healthcare is also in all 50 states with a national network, but I'm less clear on how the out of area rules work there.



The problem, of course, is making it affordable for everyone and making sure the coverage is good.





Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2009 14:13:06
How 'bout Anaconda "Baby Bird" :)

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2009 14:13:28
STFU Jon Voight.

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2009 14:14:57
Oh good. A complainer that realizes her radio has an "off" button.





Comment by Random on 06/10/2009 14:16:40
Harumph....



Random is weird today.

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2009 14:19:44
Quote by velveeta jones:

Well BobR, many of the Rethugs here in the south are very poor and under/not insured. So, I think the majority of them want some sort of national HC plan. They just aren't very vocal about it.


Generally, when I refer to "Republicans" I am referring to those in power, and those that unthinkingly parrot the talking points.

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2009 14:20:08
Quote by Random:

Harumph....



Random is weird today.


and that's different... how? :P

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2009 14:20:59
Oh, and even though I don't work for them anymore, athenahealth puts out a handy widget called "PayerView" where they rank all the healthcare payors in the country on how well they pay things and how easy they are to work with.



Guess who is near the top of the list?



http://www.athenahealth.com/our-services/PayerView.php



Medicare-B (national)....top five payor.





Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2009 14:30:05
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Harumph....



Random is weird today.


and that's different... how? :P






:spit:



If you were "normal" then we'd know you weren't you! :hug:





(btw - fixed those typs and begs your forgiveness )

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2009 14:36:59
And now Mrs. TriSec reports a couple of cruisers out in front of our place. Apparently, the landlord tried to tow some illegally parked cars and was met with resistance from the tenants in question.





Comment by BobR on 06/10/2009 14:51:42
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Harumph....



Random is weird today.


and that's different... how? :P






:spit:



If you were "normal" then we'd know you weren't you! :hug:





(btw - fixed those typs and begs your forgiveness )


unintended irony alert!

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2009 14:53:35
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2009 14:55:50
What? You mean Republicans might be lying about deficits and President Obama's record? I am SHOCKED I tell you SHOCKED!







Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2009 14:59:32
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Harumph....



Random is weird today.


and that's different... how? :P






:spit:



If you were "normal" then we'd know you weren't you! :hug:





(btw - fixed those typs and begs your forgiveness )


unintended irony alert!








Comment by Raine on 06/10/2009 15:14:38
MGM with the Paul Lynde Flaven!

Comment by starling310 on 06/10/2009 15:17:00
Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2009 15:17:07
:lol:

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2009 15:21:02
Wasn't there a season of Survivor Filed on Pulaui?

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2009 15:21:30
ugg-a-bugga?

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2009 15:21:46
Quote by Raine:

Wasn't there a season of Survivor Filed on Pulaui?






I think so

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2009 15:25:25
Good morning everyone.



Well, "vacation"'s over for me. It's back to the salt mine tonight.

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2009 15:30:10
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:

Harumph....



Random is weird today.


and that's different... how? :P






:spit:



If you were "normal" then we'd know you weren't you! :hug:





(btw - fixed those typs and begs your forgiveness )


unintended irony alert!








:rofl:

Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2009 15:37:10
Morning all! :coffee2:



Good news everyone.. Futurama is back... again!

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2009 15:39:45
Who really thought that Mark Levin's show would be a good choice for syndication with that voice?

Comment by starling310 on 06/10/2009 15:40:17
There's a Tea Bagger Club?



My favorite comment on this site:

Excellent suggestion. Cost and the need to make a living are the two factors that hamper attendance by conservatives at these events. (Somehow these factors never seem to prevent liberals from rallying.) I am interested in helping to organize such a program. Whom do I speak to?







:rofl:

Wow....they are passionate about what they believe in!



Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2009 15:41:26
Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2009 15:42:57
Quote by starling310:

There's a Tea Bagger Club?



My favorite comment on this site:

Excellent suggestion. Cost and the need to make a living are the two factors that hamper attendance by conservatives at these events. (Somehow these factors never seem to prevent liberals from rallying.) I am interested in helping to organize such a program. Whom do I speak to?







:rofl:

Wow....they are passionate about what they believe in!



Yeah.. all.. umm.. 3,467 of them. And the last time I looked, cost and need to make a living are two things that whining, 600k-a-year-after-tax-income conservatives don't have to worry about.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2009 15:52:30
Quote by starling310:

There's a Tea Bagger Club?



My favorite comment on this site:

Excellent suggestion. Cost and the need to make a living are the two factors that hamper attendance by conservatives at these events. (Somehow these factors never seem to prevent liberals from rallying.) I am interested in helping to organize such a program. Whom do I speak to?







:rofl:

Wow....they are passionate about what they believe in!



:spit:



I love the sponsors of this thing -- :huh:

Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2009 15:53:35
Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2009 15:59:33
First the "minutemen", now the "tea party".



I really hate how the right-wing continues to hijack our local icons for their own nefarious purposes...





Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2009 16:06:57






I have a feeling VA is going back to a Repub Gov - the rest of the state is gonna backlash against NoVA

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2009 16:10:12
did Thom just give out his home address? I hope not!

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2009 16:10:25
Quote by TriSec:

First the "minutemen", now the "tea party".



I really hate how the right-wing continues to hijack our local icons for their own nefarious purposes...





They continue to harbor the delusion that the Revolution was fought for their principals when those who were Tories then supported the British side and a number of them fled to Canada after the Revolution.

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2009 16:12:34
Quote by starling310:

There's a Tea Bagger Club?



My favorite comment on this site:

Excellent suggestion. Cost and the need to make a living are the two factors that hamper attendance by conservatives at these events. (Somehow these factors never seem to prevent liberals from rallying.) I am interested in helping to organize such a program. Whom do I speak to?







:rofl:

Wow....they are passionate about what they believe in!



It's called "vacation time" (and/or "calling in sick"). Sometimes you have to be willing to sacrifice your personal time to stand up for what you believe in.

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2009 16:14:50
So, I'm emailing some files across the country. It's four files, so I stuck them in a zip file.



"What application are you using? I can't open it!!!"



:thud:



Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2009 16:21:51
Quote by TriSec:

So, I'm emailing some files across the country. It's four files, so I stuck them in a zip file.



"What application are you using? I can't open it!!!"



:thud:



this kind of thing annoys me. How the heck do people get jobs without knowing basic computer shit these days?

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2009 16:32:38




Contessa often annoys me to know end, but

I gotta give the lady some props here.

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2009 16:41:41
Quote by Raine:





Contessa often annoys me to know end, but

I gotta give the lady some props here.


Letterman didn't say Palin WAS slutty, he said she LOOKED slutty. That's a huge difference.



Didn't the right-wingers condemn John Kerry for "looking Jewish"?

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2009 17:24:10
Well, back on the weekend of January 20, I picked up a CD set at the Smithsonian called "Events that changed the world". I started listening to it, but then other things happened...so I'm just getting back to it now.



First up; news reports about Sputnik. Kinda surreal now listening to the references about Soviet scientists and the USSR...