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There Are Differences
Author: Raine
Date: 07/20/2015 13:45:51
I am pretty sure we all know what happened this weekend at NetRoots Nation this weekend.
It wasn't pretty. I am not here to discuss the tactics used by #blackLivesMatter nor am I going to moralize that.
I am here to talk about the differences in three of our candidates vying for the nomination and the aftermath of this weekend. It started in Iowa, and here is Politico's takeaway from it. It was largely uncontroversial and it was really great to be able to see all of the candidates speak. You can watch it on C-Span here. As you know, I am seriously leaning towards Martin O'Malley as my first choice, so know, I am biased, without apology. When Mr. O'Malley took the stage in Iowa, he came from the audience, and when he left the stage he went back into the audience. There are photos on Twitter that he went back behind the seating area and continued to talk and mingle with potential supporters. Ms. Clinton did not. Mr. Sanders took a seat back at his table. Little things like that make a difference to me.
After that, SoS Clinton headed to a Democratic Fundraiser in Arkansas; O'Malley and Sanders went to to NetRoots in Phoenix. This is where those little thing that make a difference to me really stand out.
Protests ensued. What I found most telling was how each candidate treats (for lack of a better word) their supporters and potential supporters.
This was Martin O'Malley a few hours after he fumbled onstage:
I read this article this morning and it really brightened the differences between the candidates to me.
It goes on:
That probably wasn't the best move for Mr. Sanders.
I am very glad That O'Malley immediately realized that he made a mistake in saying what he said. I am very disappointed that Mr. Sanders cancelled all post speech events and took nearly twenty four hours to say anything. Ms. Clinton avoided this altogether by not being there at all, but I have a serious feeling that #BlackLivesMatter will be there to confront her as well.
How candidates react to a mistake during a campaign matters as much as what they are saying to the people they want to have votes from.
and 
Raine
It wasn't pretty. I am not here to discuss the tactics used by #blackLivesMatter nor am I going to moralize that.
I am here to talk about the differences in three of our candidates vying for the nomination and the aftermath of this weekend. It started in Iowa, and here is Politico's takeaway from it.
1. Hillary’s sensitive to the critique that she’s a candidate of the past
2. A healthy number of Iowa Democrats are on the same page as Bernie Sanders. But not the majority.
3. Clinton sees no benefit in acknowledging her Democratic rivals
4. Bernie now recognizes the Democratic Party’s diversity
5. O’Malley has the potential to catch fire in Iowa
After that, SoS Clinton headed to a Democratic Fundraiser in Arkansas; O'Malley and Sanders went to to NetRoots in Phoenix. This is where those little thing that make a difference to me really stand out.
Protests ensued. What I found most telling was how each candidate treats (for lack of a better word) their supporters and potential supporters.
This was Martin O'Malley a few hours after he fumbled onstage:
I read this article this morning and it really brightened the differences between the candidates to me.
While Clinton draws headlines about her “strained relations” with the press, O’Malley’s staff rarely turns a reporter away. (On Friday night, his super PAC invited members of the media to an afterparty with the sign-carrying field organizers. “It’s open-press and we promise no rope-lines,” an official said in an email, adding a smiling emoticon. The Clinton cheer-squad, meanwhile, said they weren't allowed to talk to reporters.)
(snip)
But there was no greater show of the O’Malley method than inside the Phoenix Convention Center on Saturday morning — when activists aligned with Black Lives Matter, a social justice group, upended a presidential forum at Netroots Nation.
O’Malley and Sanders spoke separately. The protesters asked each candidate to address questions about violence against blacks involving law enforcement. Both “responded poorly” at the time, as the co-founder of Black Lives Matter, Patrisse Cullors, put it later.
But after the forum — a jarring event that drew attention in and far outside the Netroots gathering — Sanders canceled his afternoon line-up of small meetings, including one with Black Lives Matters backers, according to participants. O’Malley, as his aides were quick to note, added events and sought to apologize for his reaction to the protest.
“That was a mistake on my part,” O’Malley said. “I did not mean to be insensitive in any way or communicate that I did not understand the tremendous passion, commitment, and feeling and depth of feeling that all of us should be attaching to this issue.”
Around the same time, Sanders was scheduled to meet with a small group of activists supporting Black Lives Matters. The senator has been focused with great intensity on the message driving his campaign — income inequality — and the idea behind the meeting was to “get Sanders on track with the conversation about issues around racial justice,” according to Elon James White, who is the founder of This Week in Blackness and was invited to attend the gathering. “His campaign was completely oblivious to the Black Lives Matter campaign and what’s been happening around the movement.”
When White arrived for the meeting, Sanders wasn't there. It was just a few staffers. White was told, he said later, that Sanders had cancelled all meetings for the afternoon. (snip)
Later, Sanders angered members of the Arizona Democratic Party, when he canceled 40 minutes after his scheduled speaking slot, according to Alexis Tameron, the chair of the party. The reason given to Tameron: “logistical issues,” she said. “That was it.”
A Sanders spokesperson did not respond to a question about his schedule.
That probably wasn't the best move for Mr. Sanders.
I am very glad That O'Malley immediately realized that he made a mistake in saying what he said. I am very disappointed that Mr. Sanders cancelled all post speech events and took nearly twenty four hours to say anything. Ms. Clinton avoided this altogether by not being there at all, but I have a serious feeling that #BlackLivesMatter will be there to confront her as well.
How candidates react to a mistake during a campaign matters as much as what they are saying to the people they want to have votes from.
and Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 07/20/2015 14:15:56
wickedpam on 07/20/2015 14:15:56
Morning 
The one think I've never liked about Bernie were his grumpy old man moments - they aren't charming and remind me of the shittastic neighbors I have to deal with daily.
The one think I've never liked about Bernie were his grumpy old man moments - they aren't charming and remind me of the shittastic neighbors I have to deal with daily.
Comment by 
Raine on 07/20/2015 14:34:01
I know people may not have the time to watch these videos, I think they are important.
Bernie came across as really angry and redrawing this issue that isn;t a very good thing.
To be fair, O'MAlley was really blindsided. Sanders had to know what happened to O'MAlley and I expected him to be more prepared for this protest. Instead he came off as really annoyed.
Raine on 07/20/2015 14:34:01
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
The one think I've never liked about Bernie were his grumpy old man moments - they aren't charming and remind me of the shittastic neighbors I have to deal with daily.
Bernie came across as really angry and redrawing this issue that isn;t a very good thing.
To be fair, O'MAlley was really blindsided. Sanders had to know what happened to O'MAlley and I expected him to be more prepared for this protest. Instead he came off as really annoyed.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2015 14:39:14
I wish there was a candidate that had all of their good qualities. So far I'm not in love with any of them.
wickedpam on 07/20/2015 14:39:14
Quote by Raine:I know people may not have the time to watch these videos, I think they are important.Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
The one think I've never liked about Bernie were his grumpy old man moments - they aren't charming and remind me of the shittastic neighbors I have to deal with daily.
Bernie came across as really angry and redrawing this issue that isn;t a very good thing.
To be fair, O'MAlley was really blindsided. Sanders had to know what happened to O'MAlley and I expected him to be more prepared for this protest. Instead he came off as really annoyed.
I wish there was a candidate that had all of their good qualities. So far I'm not in love with any of them.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2015 14:49:51
I know I won't be able to force you fall in love, so I understand that.
I watched both of these Net roots vids twice. Personality matters in a presidential candidate. Not in a fandom way but seeing how people handle things, their temperament and ability to listen.
During that protest, O'MAlley listened and even talked to the woman who took the stage.
NRN f8cked this up terribly.
Raine on 07/20/2015 14:49:51
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I know people may not have the time to watch these videos, I think they are important.Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
The one think I've never liked about Bernie were his grumpy old man moments - they aren't charming and remind me of the shittastic neighbors I have to deal with daily.
Bernie came across as really angry and redrawing this issue that isn;t a very good thing.
To be fair, O'MAlley was really blindsided. Sanders had to know what happened to O'MAlley and I expected him to be more prepared for this protest. Instead he came off as really annoyed.
I wish there was a candidate that had all of their good qualities. So far I'm not in love with any of them.
I watched both of these Net roots vids twice. Personality matters in a presidential candidate. Not in a fandom way but seeing how people handle things, their temperament and ability to listen.
During that protest, O'MAlley listened and even talked to the woman who took the stage.
NRN f8cked this up terribly.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 07/20/2015 14:53:32
Right now, Bernie has my heart, O'Malley has my head, but given the way he handled this, he is coming up on the outside for heart as well. I don't know where Clinton is yet.
Mondobubba on 07/20/2015 14:53:32
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I know people may not have the time to watch these videos, I think they are important.Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
The one think I've never liked about Bernie were his grumpy old man moments - they aren't charming and remind me of the shittastic neighbors I have to deal with daily.
Bernie came across as really angry and redrawing this issue that isn;t a very good thing.
To be fair, O'MAlley was really blindsided. Sanders had to know what happened to O'MAlley and I expected him to be more prepared for this protest. Instead he came off as really annoyed.
I wish there was a candidate that had all of their good qualities. So far I'm not in love with any of them.
Right now, Bernie has my heart, O'Malley has my head, but given the way he handled this, he is coming up on the outside for heart as well. I don't know where Clinton is yet.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 07/20/2015 14:56:47
Scoopster on 07/20/2015 14:56:47
Mornin' all! 
I honestly have no idea who I'm voting for in the primary yet. I'm between Sanders & O'Malley. I didn't even hear about this thing at NN until this morning and I don't even know what to make of it yet.
But enough about that. CUBA LIBRE!
I honestly have no idea who I'm voting for in the primary yet. I'm between Sanders & O'Malley. I didn't even hear about this thing at NN until this morning and I don't even know what to make of it yet.
But enough about that. CUBA LIBRE!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2015 15:03:48
Edwards burned a lot of trust for me. I'm having a hard time this go round.
wickedpam on 07/20/2015 15:03:48
Quote by Raine:I know I won't be able to force you fall in love, so I understand that.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I know people may not have the time to watch these videos, I think they are important.Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
The one think I've never liked about Bernie were his grumpy old man moments - they aren't charming and remind me of the shittastic neighbors I have to deal with daily.
Bernie came across as really angry and redrawing this issue that isn;t a very good thing.
To be fair, O'MAlley was really blindsided. Sanders had to know what happened to O'MAlley and I expected him to be more prepared for this protest. Instead he came off as really annoyed.
I wish there was a candidate that had all of their good qualities. So far I'm not in love with any of them.
I watched both of these Net roots vids twice. Personality matters in a presidential candidate. Not in a fandom way but seeing how people handle things, their temperament and ability to listen.
During that protest, O'MAlley listened and even talked to the woman who took the stage.
NRN f8cked this up terribly.
Edwards burned a lot of trust for me. I'm having a hard time this go round.
Comment by 
TriSec on 07/20/2015 15:28:04
TriSec on 07/20/2015 15:28:04
Greetings, comrades!
So, I started reading "Uncle Tom's Cabin" at camp, and have also just started re-watching "The Civil War". I am fully immersed in mid-nineteenth century America.
So, I started reading "Uncle Tom's Cabin" at camp, and have also just started re-watching "The Civil War". I am fully immersed in mid-nineteenth century America.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2015 15:58:36
Well what coindence. I am re-watching that as well.
Mondobubba on 07/20/2015 15:58:36
Quote by TriSec:
Greetings, comrades!
So, I started reading "Uncle Tom's Cabin" at camp, and have also just started re-watching "The Civil War". I am fully immersed in mid-nineteenth century America.
Well what coindence. I am re-watching that as well.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/20/2015 16:03:29
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2015 16:03:29
I think that there is time for candidates to respond to this as both Sanders and O'Malley did afterwards.
As for myself, back to the job hunt after a good weekend.
As for myself, back to the job hunt after a good weekend.
Comment by 
livingonli on 07/20/2015 17:15:17
livingonli on 07/20/2015 17:15:17
Good day, folks. Just a quick hit and run since I have a 2 PM doctor's appointment today. I still have some specialist visit's coming up over the next few weeks.
Comment by 
BobR on 07/20/2015 17:40:10
Hope things turn out ok, and I hope you are trying to make lifestyle choices that improve your health
BobR on 07/20/2015 17:40:10
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Just a quick hit and run since I have a 2 PM doctor's appointment today. I still have some specialist visit's coming up over the next few weeks.
Hope things turn out ok, and I hope you are trying to make lifestyle choices that improve your health
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2015 17:42:39
Raine on 07/20/2015 17:42:39
The Breathtaking Hypocrisy Of The Republican Freak Out About John McCain, In One Letter
Wow — they are lost on that side of the aisle.
Wow — they are lost on that side of the aisle.
Enough with the slanderous attacks. @SenJohnMcCain and all our veterans - particularly POWs have earned our respect and admiration.
— Jeb Bush (@JebBush) July 18, 2015
Comment by BobR on 07/20/2015 17:47:47
GOP: Support The Troops! (unless they're Democrats... or injured... or need housing or food stamps...)
BobR on 07/20/2015 17:47:47
Quote by Raine:
The Breathtaking Hypocrisy Of The Republican Freak Out About John McCain, In One Letter
Wow — they are lost on that side of the aisle.Enough with the slanderous attacks. @SenJohnMcCain and all our veterans - particularly POWs have earned our respect and admiration.
— Jeb Bush (@JebBush) July 18, 2015
GOP: Support The Troops! (unless they're Democrats... or injured... or need housing or food stamps...)
Comment by Scoopster on 07/20/2015 17:51:21
Scoopster on 07/20/2015 17:51:21
Comment by Scoopster on 07/20/2015 17:52:43
Scoopster on 07/20/2015 17:52:43
Quote by Raine:
The Breathtaking Hypocrisy Of The Republican Freak Out About John McCain, In One Letter
Wow — they are lost on that side of the aisle.Enough with the slanderous attacks. @SenJohnMcCain and all our veterans - particularly POWs have earned our respect and admiration.
— Jeb Bush (@JebBush) July 18, 2015
Comment by BobR on 07/20/2015 17:56:07
I would have expected that on SNL. Good Christ, that guy is a retard.
BobR on 07/20/2015 17:56:07
I would have expected that on SNL. Good Christ, that guy is a retard.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2015 18:04:11
omg - someone hit him with a "Stupid" stick, didn't they.
wickedpam on 07/20/2015 18:04:11
Quote by BobR:
I would have expected that on SNL. Good Christ, that guy is a retard.
omg - someone hit him with a "Stupid" stick, didn't they.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2015 18:21:11
Raine on 07/20/2015 18:21:11
Comment by TriSec on 07/20/2015 18:41:07
TriSec on 07/20/2015 18:41:07
So, after 12 years and 160,000 miles, my trusty Subaru has told me that it's time.
I was briefly concerned that we weren't getting home from camp Saturday.
I know that's young for a Subee, but it's had a hard life. During the recession, I only put gas in it. So much broke down that it is no longer cost-effective to continue repairs.
I was briefly concerned that we weren't getting home from camp Saturday.
I know that's young for a Subee, but it's had a hard life. During the recession, I only put gas in it. So much broke down that it is no longer cost-effective to continue repairs.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2015 18:59:44
Raine on 07/20/2015 18:59:44
Quote by TriSec:
So, after 12 years and 160,000 miles, my trusty Subaru has told me that it's time.
I was briefly concerned that we weren't getting home from camp Saturday.
I know that's young for a Subee, but it's had a hard life. During the recession, I only put gas in it. So much broke down that it is no longer cost-effective to continue repairs.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2015 20:00:51
Wow.
ya see, here is the thing.
MSNBC has been trying for a long time (before they fired Olberman) to have it both ways.
they were never what CNN used to be before CNN is what it is today.
Bring Olbermann back, I say. Let Keith be Keith. LEt Maddow be Maddow (Jesus remember when Dan Abrams and Scarbourough were the lead-in to Olberman? Somewhere we had Rita Cosby…. )
They need to figure it out and stop the programming changes to fit an election cycle. Either be liberal or not. either be a news channel or not.
Or say that this show is liberal and this one is not. I actually respected Scarborough back then because I knew it ws partisan. Abrams came on and I knew he would be talking about court stories in the headlines. then came Keith. he had puppet theatre and was actually talking about the things I as a liberal wished others would talk about. The war in IRaq, Tony blair the downing street memo—
Keith didn't get fired for what he said on air, he got fired because of who owned the network.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/22/keith-olbermann-fired-msn_n_812637.html
They screwed up by trying to play it three ways to sundown. I barely watch MSNBC now. Everything is hosted during the day as though it were a show when it used to be what CNN was until Turner sold it off.
rant over… we will have to leave it there.
Raine on 07/20/2015 20:00:51
Quote by Scoopster:
Olbermann going back to MSNBC?????
Wow.
ya see, here is the thing.
MSNBC has been trying for a long time (before they fired Olberman) to have it both ways.
they were never what CNN used to be before CNN is what it is today.
Bring Olbermann back, I say. Let Keith be Keith. LEt Maddow be Maddow (Jesus remember when Dan Abrams and Scarbourough were the lead-in to Olberman? Somewhere we had Rita Cosby…. )
They need to figure it out and stop the programming changes to fit an election cycle. Either be liberal or not. either be a news channel or not.
Or say that this show is liberal and this one is not. I actually respected Scarborough back then because I knew it ws partisan. Abrams came on and I knew he would be talking about court stories in the headlines. then came Keith. he had puppet theatre and was actually talking about the things I as a liberal wished others would talk about. The war in IRaq, Tony blair the downing street memo—
Keith didn't get fired for what he said on air, he got fired because of who owned the network.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/22/keith-olbermann-fired-msn_n_812637.html
They screwed up by trying to play it three ways to sundown. I barely watch MSNBC now. Everything is hosted during the day as though it were a show when it used to be what CNN was until Turner sold it off.
rant over… we will have to leave it there.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2015 23:33:24
Raine on 07/20/2015 23:33:24
I have a new response to anyone who starts a straw man argument with the words 'So you think/believe (or any for thereof) insert straw man argument here'
And it is this:
Do you really believe that I just said what you think I said when I didn't say that at all?
Please, take the words that you tried to put in my mouth and return them to where they came.
Please use freely…
And it is this:
Do you really believe that I just said what you think I said when I didn't say that at all?
Please, take the words that you tried to put in my mouth and return them to where they came.
Please use freely…